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Your call

Poll: Your call? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Pick a call, any call

  1. X (9 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. 2NT (16-18 bal) (2 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

  3. 3C (16 votes [41.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.03%

  4. 3NT (9 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  5. Something else (3 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 User is offline   ahydra 

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Posted 2016-July-07, 10:58

IMPs, weak opponents, they're vul, you're not.



4C is leaping michaels, just in case it matters.

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Posted 2016-July-07, 11:05

this is awkward. ax of clubs is enough for you to want to be in 5c so 3C is out for me.

otoh 3nt can easily be a far safer spot.

anyway, best start with a double and see what happens. hopefully when p takes us in spades past 3nt we'll get home in 5C anyway.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 11:13

My first thought was just to blast 3n
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Posted 2016-July-07, 11:25

I will try 3c my longest suit.

I can understand other options.

pard is an unpassed hand so I dont want to preempt her and we are at fav vul so if some lucky game makes with perfect cards from her, not the end of the world against weak opponents
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Posted 2016-July-07, 12:14

I think double, then bid clubs describes this hand well. I am not too worried about space at these colors and with these hearts.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 12:35

View Postbillw55, on 2016-July-07, 12:14, said:

I think double, then bid clubs describes this hand well. I am not too worried about space at these colors and with these hearts.


that shows a flexible hand, typically a hand with only 3 spades because you couldn't raise partner's spades directly
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Posted 2016-July-07, 13:27

View Postkuhchung, on 2016-July-07, 12:35, said:

that shows a flexible hand, typically a hand with only 3 spades because you couldn't raise partner's spades directly

I don't see any spades under consideration. Wrong thread maybe?

edit: oooh, a clever joke maybe.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 15:14

4♣, omitting the 'stop' card.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 15:55

duped
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Posted 2016-July-07, 15:58

View Postggwhiz, on 2016-July-07, 15:55, said:

3♣ for me as we could miss slam or get to the wrong game at least as easily as missing anything.

Doubling with 3 cards total in the pointed suits will probably lead to slam as you retreat over partners bidding. I would prefer a direct 6♣ to THAT.

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Posted 2016-July-07, 19:22

2NT
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Posted 2016-July-07, 19:45

View Postkenrexford, on 2016-July-07, 19:22, said:

2NT


I considered this, and perhaps I would do it. But a question or two.

The vul 4H on at best QTxxxx(x) is odd, to me, but doing it while also holding four spades would be even odder. So there is a fine chance my partner has at least four spades. Maybe five, maybe six. So the question is what happens next.


If partner bids 4H, I think I bid 4S and play in my 6-1 fit. If partner bids 3C, I think I try 4C and hope this works well. The problem is when partner bids 3H. WhadoIdo, whadoIdo, whadoIdo? I don't think I should bid 2NT until I figure that one out.

2NT overcalls of 2H are different from opening 2NT. So maybe bidding 2NT and then, over 3H, bidding 4C shows this hand. Or maybe it doesn't. I cannot name a single person I play with who I could confidently say would figure out what I am doing.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 20:54

View Postahydra, on 2016-July-07, 10:58, said:

I rank
  • 3N = NAT. Often based on a long suit.
  • 3♣ = NAT. Underbid
  • 5♣ = PRE. Misdescriptive but practical
  • Double = T/O. Might prevent you mentioning ♣s at the 3-level,
  • 2N = NAT. Misdescriptive underbid.

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Posted 2016-July-07, 21:06

I don't want to take the risk of a pass by partner or a spade game found by the opponents so I'm bidding a direct 5C - it rates to be a fair contract, it has preemptive value, it prevents partner from getting confused, but it removes 3NT as an option - which I'm not all that sorry about, really.
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Posted 2016-July-07, 23:13

View Postkenrexford, on 2016-July-07, 19:22, said:

2NT

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Posted 2016-July-08, 07:24

Double.And why not? Everybody plays Lebensohl these days.If he bids 2NT ( Lebensohl request to please bid 3 Clubs) I Shall bid 3 C as requested and then if he bids 3D (shows a weak hand hand less than 9HCP and sign off in D )then shall continue with 4C.If ,over my requested ,3C he bids 3S which now shows spades and 8/9 plus HCP the again 4C leaving enough space for cue bids as now 4 C is GF.with clubs. Remember,that 2S response by P (( cheapest bid) shows 0 to 8 HCP.and 4plus Spades.
If unfortunately no Lebensohl then I don't mind showing the single suited( No guarantee about spades) hand with 3 /4 C depending on his response.I am certainly not going to miss a game/slam if partner shows some life.After all,if partner has a well placed DK and CQ to go with it 5C is on Ice.
I feel that the hand is overstrong for a simple overcall of 3C.
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Posted 2016-July-08, 08:32

View Postahydra, on 2016-July-07, 10:58, said:

IMPs, weak opponents, they're vul, you're not.



4C is leaping michaels, just in case it matters.

ahydra


Good and interesting problem, you got lots of different answers

Look forward to see what worked and did not work at the table and how it affected the rest of the match.
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Posted 2016-July-08, 09:14

View Postmsjennifer, on 2016-July-08, 07:24, said:

Double.And why not?


I would bet a lot that the full hand will give 1 of a few dozen reasons.
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Posted 2016-July-08, 09:18

I can't believe there are actually people who consider starting with DBL!
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Posted 2016-July-08, 09:31

3♣ for me. If partner passes we probably have no game. If I double we may go 2♠ 3♣ 3♦ 4♣ losing 2♦ and 2♣. I think I want a more solid club suit to double and then bid ♣. No trumps requires a lot from partner, Ax♣ and a ♦ stop. If partner has nothing in ♣, even weak opps will find the hole in ♦ or ♠.
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