[Fluffy]

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Against Robson/Forrester, have you been silent enough?

[Cyberyeti]

Is this the N hand not the S hand ?

[Phil]

Ok I double unless partner likes to bid like this with a 9 count.

[rmnka447]

I'm passing. The opponents seem to have the balance of the points and we have a misfit.

[Jinksy]

Phil, on 2016-June-28, 08:53, said:

Ok I double unless partner likes to bid like this with a 9 count.

The complement - I pass unless partner is known not to.

[gszes]

assuming I am looking at the NORTH hand (else let me disavow not only my 1s opener but even the more egregious 2s bid) I see zero reason to enter the auction here. P 2s bid was competitive they had a chance to x 1n with a good hand. Yes things look like they are breaking badly for the opps but if you were to x here I bet declarer can figure your hand out VERY quickly and play double dummy.

[Fluffy]

Yes, sorry, you are suposed to be north, will see if I can edit.

[ahydra]

Seems a clear pass. Maybe you could chance a double if you really needed a good board at MPs but I don't think it's with the odds at teams.

ahydra

[eagles123]

i'd probably hit it but its close

[MrAce]

PASS

[nige1]

Fluffy, on 2016-June-28, 07:58, said:

Against Robson/Forrester, have you been silent enough?

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I rank

• Double = Penalty. Assuming that double asks for a ♠ lead. Arguably, a double that suggests a sensible defence has more going for it than a double that simply wants to increase the penalty. Of course 3N could easily make but if you always wait for a cinch then you don't double enough.
• Pass = Perhaps a bit pathetic but RHO probably has a long ♣ suit.

[rhm]

It would not surprise me if they made an overtrick.
They have a club fit and quick tricks on the side.
Since they bid without the usual quota of points one of them seems to have extra length in clubs
Our spades are blocked.
Where are our tricks supposed to be coming from?

While such contracts sometimes fail, even considering a double exhibits poor hand evaluation.

Rainer Herrmann

[wank]

i'm happy to believe them. dunno what partner's upto, but i'll find out afterwards.

[WesleyC]

Pass. Not close.

[Fluffy]

http://www.eurobridg...rd=007.01..1210

Spoiler

F. Goded doubled 3NT, and it made me took my spade back to hand and think... where are the hearts?, partner is sitting over them. So I pick to lead ♥9.

The contract is makeable double dummy getting rid of ♣J early on, but Forrester started with a diamond instead, unblocking ♦J under my ace (thinking he had hit jackpot with ♦AQ short in south).
Another heart went to north who cleared the suit while I pitched a spade, and then came a spade to the ♠Q, ♠K and ♠A. I returned a spade who he had to let dummy win, and locked in dummy his only remaining hope was to find me with ♣KJx, so he led low to wards his 10.

North was awake and played ♣J to cash all his hearts for +800.

Why did Forrester bid 3NT?, I have no clue, because 2NT doesn't score game bonus I guess

This hand was a nightmare for me, it took over 15 minutes to play and I was always in the dark, I first though partner had ♥KQxxx and no entry untill first trick was finally played, then that declarer had ♦Q9xxx when he unblocked ♦J, I could see only bad things happening untill the end.

[rhm]

Fluffy, on 2016-July-01, 11:19, said:

http://www.eurobridg...rd=007.01..1210

Spoiler

F. Goded doubled 3NT, and it made me took my spade back to hand and think... where are the hearts?, partner is sitting over them. So I pick to lead ♥9.

The contract is makeable double dummy getting rid of ♣J early on, but Forrester started with a diamond instead, unblocking ♦J under my ace (thinking he had hit jackpot with ♦AQ short in south).
Another heart went to north who cleared the suit while I pitched a spade, and then came a spade to the ♠Q, ♠K and ♠A. I returned a spade who he had to let dummy win, and locked in dummy his only remaining hope was to find me with ♣KJx, so he led low to wards his 10.

North was awake and played ♣J to cash all his hearts for +800.

This is an interesting hand, but your analysis is faulty.
This was the ending when you locked Forrester in dummy with the defense having already 3 tricks.

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Playing you for ♣KJx is both dangerous and hopeless.
You would simply win the club cheaply and return a club for one down.
You make 2 diamonds and a trick in every other suit.

At the time Forrester is locked in dummy he knows that you started with 7 spades and 2 hearts.
From declarer's point of view not only must the clubs come in for one loser without losing the lead to North, he also needs to reach the ♠J to park his diamond loser.
For the contract to have a chance South will need the ♣king and North is pretty well marked with the remaining honors given his poor double.
Furthermore your minor suit distribution must consist of 3 clubs and therefor the ace of diamonds must have been singleton so that South exit in diamonds.
The contract will now make if your partner holds the doubleton jack of clubs and that is a reasonable chance from the bidding.
Simply exit with the queen of clubs from the table.

I am surprised that Forrester did not find this play

Rainer Herrmann

[Fluffy]

rhm, on 2016-July-02, 03:23, said:

This is an interesting hand, but your analysis is faulty.
This was the ending when you locked Forrester in dummy.

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Playing you for ♣KJx is both dangerous and hopeless.
You would simply win the club cheaply and return a club for one down.
You make 2 diamonds and a trick in every other suit.

At the time Forrester is locked in dummy he knows that you started with 7 spades and 2 hearts and for the contract to have a chance you will need the ♣king and your partner is pretty well marked with the remaining honors given his poor double.
From declarer's point of view not only must the clubs come in for one loser, he also needs to reach the ♠J to park his diamond loser.
Furthermore your minor suit distribution must consist of 3 clubs and therefor the ace of diamonds must have been singleton.
The contract will now make if your partner holds the doubleton jack of clubs and that is likely from the bidding.
Simply exit with the queen of clubs from the table.

I am surprised that Forrester did not find this play

Rainer Herrmann

He had already cashed ♦K to test for ♦AQ bare

[rhm]

Fluffy, on 2016-July-02, 03:26, said:

He had already cashed ♦K to test for ♦AQ bare

Then there was no play for the contract at this point.
I also think Forrester made some poor judgements. (Did he discard a club on the third heart?)
First going in with the ace of diamonds is standard from almost any diamond holdings simply to preserve North entries to the hearts. It is no indication of the location of the diamond queen
Unblocking the ♦J is also fairly standard.
But it seems unlikely that you would have continued spades, if holding the ♦Q and your partner the ♣ king.

Rainer Herrmann

[Fluffy]

As I remember the ♦K was played very soon, before spades.