[hrothgar]

MP

Indy. You hold

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The auction starts

(P) - 1♣ - (X) - 1♥
(1♠) - P - (P) - ???

What's your plan?

[wank]

3 clubs. invitational with clubs. seems like what i have.

perhaps hearts will score better at matchpoints but 2H would be too much of an underbid.

[Cyberyeti]

Abstain, would never in this world have bid 1♥. Prefer 2♥ fit or if that's not available XX.

[wank]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-May-21, 10:47, said:

Abstain, would never in this world have bid 1♥. Prefer 2♥ fit or if that's not available XX.

too strong for 2H and redouble would just be gross with this shape

[Vampyr]

 wank, on 2016-May-21, 10:56, said:

too strong for 2H and redouble would just be gross with this shape

What would you consider the best range for a 2♥ fit bid? Also, do you think it is best played as NF?

Thanks.

[1eyedjack]

 wank, on 2016-May-21, 10:56, said:

too strong for 2H and redouble would just be gross with this shape

Aside from which, it is an Indy, so we are informed. You don't get to choose your pet system

[ggwhiz]

3♣, especially in an Indy.

Given partners pass over 1♠ our most likely games are 3nt followed by 5♣ and this keeps them both in play and with this shape 3♣ can easily outscore 1nt if that's where others land.

[wank]

 Vampyr, on 2016-May-21, 11:08, said:

What would you consider the best range for a 2♥ fit bid? Also, do you think it is best played as NF?

Thanks.

yes nf over a minor something like 6-9. over a major it can be forcing and unlimited.

[rmnka447]

3 ♣ for me, too.

Invitational, it also keeps all contracts in play.

[Cyberyeti]

 1eyedjack, on 2016-May-21, 11:15, said:

Aside from which, it is an Indy, so we are informed. You don't get to choose your pet system

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too strong for 2H and redouble would just be gross with this shape

Sorry, unfamiliar with the term, I don't actually play BBO so don't know how it works.

I'm used to playing a way where any hand of this strength redoubles, and bidding 1♥ denies this much.

This would be absolutely maximum for the NF 2♥ bid in my world, partner would only pass with 11-12 bal without 4♥. Can I miss game ? yes, but I prefer to bid 9 of my cards rather than 4 when I don't know that the next bid isn't 3/4♠.

[Stephen Tu]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-May-21, 12:00, said:

I'm used to playing a way where any hand of this strength redoubles, and bidding 1♥ denies this much.

Wow really? You play 1h nf? I thought that went extinct 40+ years ago.

[Cyberyeti]

 Stephen Tu, on 2016-May-21, 14:07, said:

Wow really? You play 1h nf? I thought that went extinct 40+ years ago.

I didn't say it was NF, just that partner might decline to reopen in the face of oppos barraging on some hands where he's safe in the knowledge we've not missed anything.

[Stephen Tu]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-May-21, 14:55, said:

I didn't say it was NF, just that partner might decline to reopen in the face of oppos barraging on some hands where he's safe in the knowledge we've not missed anything.

Still pretty weird though to play 1H limited range, even if played 1RF. I don't see why partner reopening has anything to do with it. If we are stronger, WE are the ones reopening or doing something over the opponent's bids, if partner is passing. If you are forced to redouble with all 10+, the idea is that you are faced with introducing new suit at 3 level or possibly higher if the opps barrage to 2S or whatever. This is worse than getting at least one of your suits in at 1 level, then you get to describe other feature of your hand later (like with this hand clubs), instead it's 2S to you and you haven't even shown hearts yet, and if your redouble also includes stronger hands you can't stop at 3 level.

Most people play 1H unlimited. Super modern set, many are going to transfer schemes starting with redouble.

[nige1]

 hrothgar, on 2016-May-21, 10:12, said:

Indy. Plan?

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Assuming 5-card majors, I rank

• Double = T/O.
• 2♣ = NAT.
• 3♣ = NAT.

[kenrexford]

Without commenting on the merits of the style, if 1H was limited to below 10, then 2S stands out now as "grown up because I have the right stiff."

In the real world, maybe 2S should be the same essential thing. I mean, 1H as a start, followed by 2S, sounds unbalanced, so why not short spades?

[mike777]

double seems normal now, to be honest no other bid comes to mind.


1h seems perfect last round, no problem yet.


I note I did not xx last round so I totally agree with the bidding so far.

[Laocoon166]

Dbl seems obvious to me. OP doesn't say whether playing mandatory support xs or not however

[yunling]

Double. 3C usually show 5C&4H for me.

[Cyberyeti]

 Stephen Tu, on 2016-May-21, 14:07, said:

Wow really? You play 1h nf? I thought that went extinct 40+ years ago.

Truly bizarrely we came across somebody who played this in today's (very minor) national pairs final (Corwen for UK people). His partner didn't, meaning they played 1♥-2 with 3N on their way.

[Winstonm]

3C - wtp?