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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2016-May-01, 22:28

You hold:

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AJ9X
Xxx
AKJxx

Partner opens 1H. You decide to bid 2NT and partner shows a stiff diamond.

How do you continue?
Would you prefer 2C or 3S instead?
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Posted 2016-May-01, 23:32

I prefer 2 by far, since it's such a great suit. Having bid 2NT though, we need to cuebid, so assuming Italian style and that the you can still bid 3, that would be what I do.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 04:58

3 will find out if partner has 1st round control of diamonds. If yes, then 4NT 'exclusion' and over 5, 6 asking for 3rd round control.
If it was a small singleton diamond, then Blackwood.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 04:59

If you BW, partner has 2 without the Q. Leave it or 6?
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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:03

If you splintered, partner signs off. You are a bit strong for a splinter in your methods.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:04

If you bid 2C, partner raises, then after 3H partner cues 3S.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:41

 mr1303, on 2016-May-02, 04:59, said:

If you BW, partner has 2 without the Q. Leave it or 6?

pass
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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:42

 mr1303, on 2016-May-02, 05:03, said:

If you splintered, partner signs off. You are a bit strong for a splinter in your methods.

than I wont make the splinter, but if I did it anyway, than I will give up.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:47

 mr1303, on 2016-May-02, 05:04, said:

If you bid 2C, partner raises, then after 3H partner cues 3S.

Did 3H show support, or could it be Hx?
But what ever: 4C. Lets see, if we hear 4D, which we will, ...,
given partners shortage, than 4S.
I would assume, that 4H is an offer to play, and I already did
show a heart cue, now 4S, and pass 5C.

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Posted 2016-May-02, 05:52

 mr1303, on 2016-May-01, 22:28, said:

You hold:

X
AJ9X
Xxx
AKJxx

Partner opens 1H. You decide to bid 2NT and partner shows a stiff diamond.

How do you continue?
Would you prefer 2C or 3S instead?

2NT is fine, now 4S.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 06:25

I'd bid 2NT.
After pd shows a stiff , I'd better cuebid 4 to tell pd my tricks source so as to let pd to act as a captain.
After my 4, if pd rebid 4 to show voidness in , I will bid 4NT to ask RKCB.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 06:53

We would have started with 3 GF fit jump.

Of your alternatives, I would start with 2N, then assuming no kickback, I would start with 4 and over 4 I would bid 4 indicating even though we normally play Italian style cuebids that I have the ace of clubs (most likely with stuff to back it up) and most likely a singleton spade as I'd usually bid 3 with the K, let partner BW or cue from there.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 08:14

Most people play 3S as a minimum G/F splinter, so this hand is too strong. I'm happy with 2NT.

However, a valuable (and extremely simple) improvement to the standard 1M - 2NT method is using a 3C response to show ANY minimum.

The main value comes when responder can simply sign-off on the next round (and opener avoids disclosing any information about their hand). But it would also be perfect on this hand. After opener's 3C, responder could continue with either 3D (to ask again for shortage) or 3S (to show a better than minimum G/F hand with spade shortage). Either way you should be very well placed to judge the final contract.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 10:02

splinter bids lose some of their accuracy when there is a side 5 card + suit present. If you are playing 2/1 I think 2c is a standout but having begun this way I think a 3h bid here is a great way of showing p you have slam interest opposite their singleton and takes up virtually no space rather than making an unclear cuebid like 3s or worse trying 4c and seemingly denying a spade cue.
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Posted 2016-May-02, 11:58

I'm starting with 2 also. I'll follow up with 3 over 3 to show the 2 suited fit. After cueing and key card showing 2 without the Q, I'm signing off in 5 . If the answer had been 2 with the Q, then I'd have carried on to slam.
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