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ATB: Missed vul game (aka everyone's a wuss and you don't need to show the cards)

Poll: ATB: Missed vul game (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Who's the (bigger) wimp?

  1. Entirely West (18 votes [47.37%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.37%

  2. Mostly West (13 votes [34.21%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.21%

  3. 50/50 (1 votes [2.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  4. 100/100 (2 votes [5.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  5. Mostly East (1 votes [2.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  6. Entirely East (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (3 votes [7.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

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#21 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2015-November-19, 19:27

View Poststeve2005, on 2015-November-19, 16:58, said:

If 1C is unlimited sounds like they are using 2N as something artificial. May not be including any balanced hands in 2C even is even using 2C as strong, OP did say unlimited so if correct 1C is including 22--24 and even higher. but who knows.


Yeah, all our strong balanced hands go through a 1 opening.
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Posted 2015-November-19, 22:15

rather off-topic, but considering this system has only ever been played by one serious pair, and who have been shown to be cheating like troopers, it probably indicates it's theoretically rather unsound.
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Posted 2015-November-20, 17:46

View Postjogs, on 2015-November-19, 18:02, said:

Both deserve more than 50% of the blame. Still 4 may fail. Game must be in 4. In 3NT the winning hearts may become stranded.

Not enough knowledge of system to give East any blame.
West may not be showing 22-24 hcp, they may just have a good hand looking for no wastage opposite a singleton.
If West has shown 22 hcp even then I have sympathy., QJ and even J to some extent are working and even then game might fail as East's trump so bad.
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Posted 2015-November-22, 05:29

View Postwank, on 2015-November-19, 22:15, said:

rather off-topic, but considering this system has only ever been played by one serious pair, and who have been shown to be cheating like troopers, it probably indicates it's theoretically rather unsound.

The system was used by at least one Australian pair. They extensively tested it, recorded their results and evaluated the efficacy of the bidding system.

There is an article on Bridgewinners describing the result. In essence, the Australian pair was convinced that the system has merit.
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Posted 2015-November-22, 05:31

View PostJinksy, on 2015-November-14, 05:14, said:



IMPs. Other responses to 2N would have shown shortage (nonmin), so if E wanted to encourage he'd have bid 3N.

W argued that E was near the top of his HCP range, and even if the honours looked dubious in the abstract, in the context of the auction they'd be likely to find complementary honours with the strong hand, so E should have bid 3N.


What would 3NT by West mean -- is it "to play"? And if yes, did West consider it as an option?
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Posted 2015-November-22, 14:53

3N would be to play on either rebid. I was east, so don't know if west considered it. Seems dubious to me - you don't rate to have any way to communicate with E's hand if he's got a pile of junk other than by ruffing over to it.
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