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Grand Slam in Game II: ATB and how would you bid it pesky psych

Poll: Grand Slam in Game II: ATB and how would you bid it (40 member(s) have cast votes)

ATB

  1. 100% West (6 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  2. Mostly West (3 votes [7.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.50%

  3. Both W/E but more West (4 votes [10.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. Both W/E but more East (7 votes [17.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.50%

  5. Mostly East (11 votes [27.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.50%

  6. 100% East (6 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  7. More no blame and/or credit to South (2 votes [5.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  8. other / abstain (1 votes [2.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

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#21 User is offline   PhantomSac 

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Posted 2015-November-18, 00:24

4S is the very bad kind of bid that is rarely punished, but I don't know why it is not more common knowledge that with an opening hand you start with a cuebid then bid game (or if stronger than that you don't have to jump to game next). A 4S bid can be based on KJxxxxx xx x xxx for instance.
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Posted 2015-November-18, 05:37

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-November-18, 00:24, said:

4S is the very bad kind of bid that is rarely punished, but I don't know why it is not more common knowledge that with an opening hand you start with a cuebid then bid game (or if stronger than that you don't have to jump to game next). A 4S bid can be based on KJxxxxx xx x xxx for instance.


Bidding opposite a t/o double is one of the least understood parts of the game among intermediate/advanced players imo. I bet if you polled most people would agree with 4dad's suggestion that this showed a opening hand with 5 spades. Its basically 100% to show a weak hand with 6 spades imo, since

(1) Partner can double with a strong hand which might not have that much spade support. Who wants to play in 4 spades with an opening hand and 5 spades opposite x AKxx AKxxx Axx or some other strong flexible hand without spade support.
(2) What do you bid with weak hands that are long in a suit? You cannot afford not to be in game if partner really has a classic t/o double, and you would like to take away the opponents spade since this is likely a competitive hand if you have a large fit and less than half the pack.
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Posted 2015-November-19, 04:11

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-November-17, 11:29, said:

4NT keycard and new suit GOSH seems the most logical to me.


What does GOSH mean here? Is that saying it means this suit (in the power double).
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Posted 2015-November-19, 05:11

View PostMbodell, on 2015-November-19, 04:11, said:

What does GOSH mean here? Is that saying it means this suit (in the power double).

Yes, it is short for good one-suited hand; ie natural and strong.
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Posted 2015-November-30, 20:55

Only if 4♠ means Long S (at least 7) with 2 of 3 top cards, (and only on this case) your partener should bet 4nt here. You had AK from sure, (because he had the Q) He had 4 more tricks from sure(3 on D and one on♣) so he should try the 4nt. if you ask possitive 7 ♠ from sure. If no use the jujment if he can take the K ♥ But from me is at least 5s so no danger to try 4NT
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