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Find your way after support double

Poll: How to continue (40 member(s) have cast votes)

What bids would you consider?

  1. 3 Club (3 votes [6.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.12%

  2. 3 Diamond (6 votes [12.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.24%

  3. 3 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4 Club (7 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  5. 4 Heart (3 votes [6.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.12%

  6. 4 Spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 4 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 5 Club (2 votes [4.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.08%

  9. 5 Heart (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. 6 Club (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Other (please specify) (3 votes [6.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.12%

  12. 3 Heart (25 votes [51.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.02%

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Posted 2015-October-17, 03:23



Partners support double shows 3 spades without promising extras. With a very weak opening p might have passed.
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Posted 2015-October-17, 06:11

Other.

3h
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Posted 2015-October-17, 08:08

3,save a space and then let opener further describe.
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Posted 2015-October-17, 09:56

3 as I'd like to force a round and get/give more info.
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Posted 2015-October-17, 10:38

3h

This hand might play anywhere from 3n to 7c though leaving this hand is 3n appears to be wrong far too often.
Openers hand will probably fall somewhere btn these 2 extremes:

Qxx KJxx Axx Axx (3n)

Qxx xxx Ax AKxxx (7c)

Starting with 3h at least will make sure we avoid spending too much time looking for 7c if opener can bid 3n so it is an important first step.
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Posted 2015-October-17, 10:48

3 for a number of reasons. 3nt from partner would provide pump protection towards playing 4 (a decent risk especially at matchpoints) and I can suggest clubs along the way. Over anything else I'll insist on clubs.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 08:27

3h no choice we are looking at or for a slam, so possibly 4hts but it takes up a lot of sace
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Posted 2015-October-18, 09:39

3 since it is the only forcing bid available below 3NT which might be our best spot.

I would have responded 1, not 1, intending to bid out my shape. In partnerships that allow an inverted raise with 5+ card support and side 4-card suits I would prefer 2.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 09:51

View Postdave_beer, on 2015-October-18, 09:39, said:

3 since it is the only forcing bid available below 3NT which might be our best spot.


I think 3 would also be forcing.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 10:52

After 3 partner might bid 3NT. Will you bid on?
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Posted 2015-October-18, 11:11

View Postscarletv, on 2015-October-18, 10:52, said:

After 3 partner might bid 3NT. Will you bid on?


Yup. 4 probably followed by 4
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Posted 2015-October-18, 13:53

This is an interesting problem. I like support doubles but if you haven't discussed follow-ups they can hurt you as much as they help you.

If you treat the double as the equivalent of raising spades, then your whole system - help-suit, short-suit, whatever they may be - can be played as 'on'. Thus, 3// would all be forcing. I would pick 3 followed by 4, to make sure partner knows I only have four spades in a strong hand.

I wouldn't call 3 or 3 wrong either. As with most problems of this type, 'eye of the beholder' applies.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 16:06

View Posthevnandhel, on 2015-October-18, 09:51, said:

I think 3 would also be forcing.

I wouldn't want to take that chance without discussion. I might have to bid that with a bad hand that bypassed to bid 1 and now I want to sign off there.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 16:24

View Postdave_beer, on 2015-October-18, 16:06, said:

I wouldn't want to take that chance without discussion. I might have to bid that with a bad hand that bypassed to bid 1 and now I want to sign off there.


I'd assume new suit = forcing without discussion to the contrary, and if I was going to sign off in a partscore on this auction then 2 would be my choice - or maybe 3 in a case where I have support like this.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 16:36


scarletv says"partners support double shows 3 spades without promising extras. With a very weak opening p might have passed."

I rank ...
1. 3 = NAT.
2. 3 = NAT.
3. 4 = NAT
4. 3 = CUE.
5. 5 = NAT

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Posted 2015-October-18, 16:50

3 seems absolutely obvious to me. New suits by an unpassed responder are forcing. If pard bids 3nt, then it is probably right. 3asks partner to bid 3nt on many hands where we belong in clubs.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 22:09

View Postjodepp, on 2015-October-18, 13:53, said:

This is an interesting problem. I like support doubles but if you haven't discussed follow-ups they can hurt you as much as they help you.

If you treat the double as the equivalent of raising spades, then your whole system - help-suit, short-suit, whatever they may be - can be played as 'on'. Thus, 3// would all be forcing. I would pick 3 followed by 4, to make sure partner knows I only have four spades in a strong hand.

I wouldn't call 3 or 3 wrong either. As with most problems of this type, 'eye of the beholder' applies.

On different auctions where I could have rebid 2 of either minor that would be rejecting the presumed 7-card fit and signing off in a safer partscore. Since the support double is unlimited partner could bid again but probably shouldn't return to the major.

I wouldn't want to bid either 3 or 3 on this auction without having discussed it first.
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Posted 2015-October-18, 23:26

View Postdave_beer, on 2015-October-18, 22:09, said:

I wouldn't want to bid either 3 or 3 on this auction without having discussed it first.

I feel that in polls like this you are assumed to have discussed your system.
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Posted 2015-October-19, 07:58

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-October-18, 23:26, said:

I feel that in polls like this you are assumed to have discussed your system.


LOL, if you had discussed your system that well, you wouldn't need a general poll. And if you had specific followup agreements, why didn't OP mention them?
Maybe you might have a specific question, e.g. should I force to game, should I invite, should I make a slam try, etc.
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Posted 2015-October-19, 09:15

View Postjohnu, on 2015-October-19, 07:58, said:

LOL, if you had discussed your system that well, you wouldn't need a general poll. And if you had specific followup agreements, why didn't OP mention them?
Maybe you might have a specific question, e.g. should I force to game, should I invite, should I make a slam try, etc.

I am not suggesting that the OP had discussed the system here. That may indeed be the reason why he has issued the poll. But he may expect responders who feel able to express an opinion to have done so, and may well be interested in guidance on what followups to agree with his partner for the future, based on those responses.

Or, it is just possible, although perhaps not so helpful, that the question is geared to what assumptions should be made in a pickup.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

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