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responder bid after DBL stop or raise

#1 User is offline   wzhong 

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Posted 2015-September-28, 19:01

In SAYC, opener North opens with 1, E bids DBL, South (responder) bids of 2 or 3. Is it stop bid or opener should following SAYC rule (ignore E's DBL bid)?
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Posted 2015-September-28, 21:56

SAYC, as far as I can tell, does not define what these raises after a double indicate.

However, many people play these raises as weak or preemptive. Stronger hands can redouble and/or use a convention such as Jordan/Truscott 2NT (or variants such as Flip Flop).
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Posted 2015-September-29, 04:50

I may have to correct myself; the SAYC pamphlet does include a section on competitive bidding which states: "Bids mean the same things they meant without the intervening bid".

So 1-(X)-3 would still be a limit raise. But that's not how many people would play it.
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Posted 2015-September-29, 09:16

It is my understanding that 1-X-3 is standard, and thus SAYC.
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Posted 2015-September-29, 09:31

The printed SAYC card notes that over double, 2nt is limit raise after both major & minor openings. This implies that 1-x-3 is weak, which is a pretty standard treatment.

1-x-2, though is the normal raise strength = what it would be without double. In order to play this as weaker than a standard raise, you need a different bid for the top end of a normal raise, e.g. xfers over a major double or BROMAD, which SAYC doesn't include.
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Posted 2015-September-30, 09:46

According to modern practice and dating to at least as early as 1950-ish, raises to any level after a takeout double are obstructive (preemptive).
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Posted 2015-October-01, 03:04

The SAYC booklet explicitly mentions (towards the bottom of page 7) that a double jump is preemptive after a takeout double. This is an exception to the standard rule of bids retaining their normal meanings after interference.
(-: Zel :-)
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Posted 2015-October-02, 15:30

But this is only a SINGLE jump, not a double jump.
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Posted 2015-October-02, 15:37

 TylerE, on 2015-October-02, 15:30, said:

But this is only a SINGLE jump, not a double jump.

I meant a raise from 1 to 3 after a double. If you take a look at the booklet you will see it there.
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