In SAYC, opener North opens with 1♠, E bids DBL, South (responder) bids of 2♠ or 3♠. Is it stop bid or opener should following SAYC rule (ignore E's DBL bid)?
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responder bid after DBL stop or raise
#2
Posted 2015-September-28, 21:56
SAYC, as far as I can tell, does not define what these raises after a double indicate.
However, many people play these raises as weak or preemptive. Stronger hands can redouble and/or use a convention such as Jordan/Truscott 2NT (or variants such as Flip Flop).
However, many people play these raises as weak or preemptive. Stronger hands can redouble and/or use a convention such as Jordan/Truscott 2NT (or variants such as Flip Flop).
#3
Posted 2015-September-29, 04:50
I may have to correct myself; the SAYC pamphlet does include a section on competitive bidding which states: "Bids mean the same things they meant without the intervening bid".
So 1♠-(X)-3♠ would still be a limit raise. But that's not how many people would play it.
So 1♠-(X)-3♠ would still be a limit raise. But that's not how many people would play it.
#5
Posted 2015-September-29, 09:31
The printed SAYC card notes that over double, 2nt is limit raise after both major & minor openings. This implies that 1♠-x-3♠ is weak, which is a pretty standard treatment.
1♠-x-2♠, though is the normal raise strength = what it would be without double. In order to play this as weaker than a standard raise, you need a different bid for the top end of a normal raise, e.g. xfers over a major double or BROMAD, which SAYC doesn't include.
1♠-x-2♠, though is the normal raise strength = what it would be without double. In order to play this as weaker than a standard raise, you need a different bid for the top end of a normal raise, e.g. xfers over a major double or BROMAD, which SAYC doesn't include.
#6
Posted 2015-September-30, 09:46
According to modern practice and dating to at least as early as 1950-ish, raises to any level after a takeout double are obstructive (preemptive).
#7
Posted 2015-October-01, 03:04
The SAYC booklet explicitly mentions (towards the bottom of page 7) that a double jump is preemptive after a takeout double. This is an exception to the standard rule of bids retaining their normal meanings after interference.
(-: Zel :-)
#9
Posted 2015-October-02, 15:37
TylerE, on 2015-October-02, 15:30, said:
But this is only a SINGLE jump, not a double jump.
I meant a raise from 1 to 3 after a double. If you take a look at the booklet you will see it there.
(-: Zel :-)
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