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#1 User is offline   UdcaDenny 

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Posted 2015-September-26, 01:53

Lets say you open 1 playing 2/1 with following hand AQ74 AQ AQ92 765. LHO bids 2 followed by 2 pass. I bid 2 which my p said was wrong since it promised 5. He said a takeoutdouble is a better bid and shows a stronger hand. As p is expected to bid I prefered to bid . Its a reversebid so I cant see that a takeout shud show a stronger hand. So my question is takeout or 2
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Posted 2015-September-26, 01:59

1) prefer 1nt 16-18 if tht is an option.
2) if not then 1d by x second choice.

I assume Mexican 2d not an open option to solve all.

you kind of play crappy system so you get crappy options but you know that
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Posted 2015-September-26, 02:03

Double does not show a stronger hand. Something like AQxx xxx AQxxx x is an automatic double to cater for partner passing 2C to convert your double for penalties. Having said that, I do prefer double on this occasion, planning on bidding 2S over 2H to show the extras.
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Posted 2015-September-26, 02:36

Double.
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Posted 2015-September-26, 04:54

As manudude.
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Posted 2015-September-26, 05:20

Depending on the vulnerability, I probably go for "other".
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Posted 2015-September-26, 15:30

View PostPhilKing, on 2015-September-26, 05:20, said:

Depending on the vulnerability, I probably go for "other".

So what would you suggest in these circumstances, other than X and 2?
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Posted 2015-September-27, 05:21

I'am facing this type of hands often in the last two weeks and turned to an over bid and bad score
AS GIB 2/1 dbl = 18 hcp so I'll choose this option but the following sequence is a buzzle
if p bid 2 should I bid 3 cue for 3nt? or just pass hoping for the best
Or p bid 2 should I pass or raise to 3 or 4?
when p bids 2nt pass or raise to 3?
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Posted 2015-September-27, 07:27

View PostfromageGB, on 2015-September-26, 15:30, said:

So what would you suggest in these circumstances, other than X and 2?


Nothing. I have a balanced hand with defence, and partner could not find a bid over 2.
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Posted 2015-September-27, 16:19

I agree that bidding 2 implies 5+ diamonds.

As to what to do with this hand, I suppose double seems obvious, but I could understand a pass at matchpoints.
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Posted 2015-September-27, 18:04

PASS. Partner couldn't make a negative double and didn't bid 2. Given my holding in it is highly unlikely that he is passing if I reopen with double.

My second choice is DBL. However I would PASS if he responded 2 since his hand is more likely to be worth a few tricks with as trump and could be worth less in or .
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Posted 2015-September-27, 18:09

View Postmike777, on 2015-September-26, 01:59, said:

1) prefer 1nt 16-18 if tht is an option.
2) if not then 1d by x second choice.

I assume Mexican 2d not an open option to solve all.

you kind of play crappy system so you get crappy options but you know that

LOL, advocating 1NT = 16-18 and telling other people their system is crap is quite rich!
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Posted 2015-September-28, 05:46

View Postjodepp, on 2015-September-27, 16:19, said:

... but I could understand a pass at matchpoints.

Au contraire, I can understand a pass at IMPs, where there probably no game at stake, but at MPs I reckon that's losing tactics.
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Posted 2015-September-28, 16:40

View PostPhilKing, on 2015-September-26, 05:20, said:

Depending on the vulnerability, I probably go for "other".

At what vulnerabilities would you do something other than "other"? And what non-other action would you choose?

I think pass is obvious at any vulnerability and any form of scoring.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2015-September-29, 11:37

View Postgnasher, on 2015-September-28, 16:40, said:

At what vulnerabilities would you do something other than "other"? And what non-other action would you choose?

I think pass is obvious at any vulnerability and any form of scoring.


I'd double love all at pairs without too much pain.
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Posted 2015-September-29, 13:06

I would never pass this out at MPs. 2s just seems wrong since it takes us past 2D.

At IMPS it seems like a reasonable shot to hope for six tricks on defense. Game is possible on the right 7 count but it seems you need to find a specific hand That couldn't act over 2C.
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