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Posted 2015-August-20, 08:04
Does it exist or does it not exist (whatever 5H means in terms of a slam try)?
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Posted 2015-August-20, 08:23
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Posted 2015-August-20, 09:12
I would say initially that this doesn't exist. But what if the auction comes up? What could advancer have?
I would think something like:
♠ x
♥ Axxx
♦ xxx
♣ Axxxx
I can imagine that advancer is underbidding a little initially, fearing that he might play in a 4-3 fit, given that some partners might double 2♦ on a 3334 distribution. Once the doubler shows that he wants to be in 4♥ opposite a 3-4 HCP hand with 3-4 hearts, this hand is huge.
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I would think something like:
♠ x
♥ Axxx
♦ xxx
♣ Axxxx
I can imagine that advancer is underbidding a little initially, fearing that he might play in a 4-3 fit, given that some partners might double 2♦ on a 3334 distribution. Once the doubler shows that he wants to be in 4♥ opposite a 3-4 HCP hand with 3-4 hearts, this hand is huge.
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Posted 2015-August-20, 09:33
Partner probably had
x
Axxx
xxx
KQxx
the first round and
x
Axxx
xxx
AKQxx
the second round
x
Axxx
xxx
KQxx
the first round and
x
Axxx
xxx
AKQxx
the second round
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Posted 2015-August-20, 10:21
EDIT: Responding to OP, not Free's post./Edit
Yes, I can imagine bidding like that, late in a knockout down 20 imps. Though that hand is so good for play in hearts that if I were to shoot on that hand, I'd prefer 3♦ to 2♥. If partner does have the pancake hand the 5♣ contract may be biddable as a better shot since a bridge player would have moose to make a TO double over a preempt on a pancake hand without a stopper. (If I were playing my preferred methods I would be using lebensohl in which the 3♦ cue advance is a stopper ask, the second round cue after lebensohl would show the game force and specify 4 hearts, so I might shoot in that manner, but there my normal bid of lebensohl then 3♥ to make the game try since I could bid this suit at two level makes the shoot less often profitable.)
Yes, I can imagine bidding like that, late in a knockout down 20 imps. Though that hand is so good for play in hearts that if I were to shoot on that hand, I'd prefer 3♦ to 2♥. If partner does have the pancake hand the 5♣ contract may be biddable as a better shot since a bridge player would have moose to make a TO double over a preempt on a pancake hand without a stopper. (If I were playing my preferred methods I would be using lebensohl in which the 3♦ cue advance is a stopper ask, the second round cue after lebensohl would show the game force and specify 4 hearts, so I might shoot in that manner, but there my normal bid of lebensohl then 3♥ to make the game try since I could bid this suit at two level makes the shoot less often profitable.)
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Posted 2015-August-20, 10:33
Free, on 2015-August-20, 09:33, said:
Partner probably had
x
Axxx
xxx
KQxx
the first round and
x
Axxx
xxx
AKQxx
the second round
x
Axxx
xxx
KQxx
the first round and
x
Axxx
xxx
AKQxx
the second round
Gross overbids. Is everyone assuming we're 20 Imps down late in match?
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Posted 2015-August-20, 18:30
Mqybe. Suppose Advancer had some bizarre hand like void spades, eight hearts with no Ace or King, Ace fourth of diamonds, and a stiff club.
V-Jxxxxxxx-Axxx-x.
The auction is never stopping. There is no way to show this. Partner is probably planning to do something interesting. So, bid low and see what happens.
V-Jxxxxxxx-Axxx-x.
The auction is never stopping. There is no way to show this. Partner is probably planning to do something interesting. So, bid low and see what happens.
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Posted 2015-August-20, 21:08
Gib plays Lebensohl over doubles of weak 2's so there is no hand Gib can have which wouldn't of made an encouraging move earlier. Make slam tries below game come on.
I think this is a case of Gib Math you bid 4H even though I could have 0 so u have a monster, I have something so i'm gonna make a slam try.
I think this is a case of Gib Math you bid 4H even though I could have 0 so u have a monster, I have something so i'm gonna make a slam try.
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Posted 2015-August-21, 12:10
BillPatch, on 2015-August-20, 10:33, said:
Gross overbids. Is everyone assuming we're 20 Imps down late in match?
Not sure if you got the message, but responding 2♥ with 12 cards is hardly an overbid. If partner raises to 4♥ and all of a sudden you have a running side suit (found the ♣A) and controls in all suits except ♦, while partner shouldn't expect any values at all, I don't think bidding one more is an overbid.
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Posted 2015-August-21, 13:41
gwnn, on 2015-August-20, 08:04, said:
Does it exist or does it not exist (whatever 5H means in terms of a slam try)?
With NO bids by your side of any side-suit, then 5-of-trump asks for trump quality.
The replies are:
pass = with NO trump honor
6H = 1 of top 3 trumps
7H = 2 of top 3 trumps
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Posted 2015-August-21, 14:23
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2015-August-21, 13:41, said:
With NO bids by your side of any side-suit, then 5-of-trump asks for trump quality.
Yes, that's the normal meaning of the bid. But what kind of hand could partner have that would make a minimum response to a takeout double, and then want to invite slam based only on your trump quality? That's the genesis of the question -- partner's hand on this round of bidding seems totally inconsistent with the previous round.
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Posted 2015-August-21, 14:25
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2015-August-21, 13:41, said:
With NO bids by your side of any side-suit, then 5-of-trump asks for trump quality.
The replies are:
pass = with NO trump honor
6H = 1 of top 3 trumps
7H = 2 of top 3 trumps
The replies are:
pass = with NO trump honor
6H = 1 of top 3 trumps
7H = 2 of top 3 trumps
Can you read?
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