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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

#10381 User is offline   johnu 

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Posted 2018-June-19, 12:01

View PostWinstonm, on 2018-June-18, 21:23, said:

Another day, another Dennison staffer dejected and demoralized:

The Daily Beast reports that:

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President Trump’s chief of staff has reportedly become so demoralized amid mounting White House scandals that he no longer cares if the president gets impeached. Sources cited by Politico on Monday say John Kelly told a confidant he is giving up on trying to rein Trump in and will let the president do what he wants even if that results in impeachment because, as Politico paraphrased it, “at least this chapter of American history would come to a close.” Reports have swirled in recent weeks about Kelly planning to step down amid ongoing friction with Trump, and he is now said to have begun working out frequently in the middle of the working day, a sign some officials see as proof he has mostly checked out from Trump’s White House.



Some people originally thought that a man with a distinguished military career would bring some order to the White House. As a private citizen, Kelly has proven to be a mean spirited liar

Kelly lies about Congresswoman Wilson

Kelly defends incarcerating immigrant children at border

At least he fits in well with the other Dennison cronies.
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Posted 2018-June-19, 14:32

The enemy is difficult: perseverance bias

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Belief perseverance is the tendency for people to hold their beliefs as true, even when there is ample evidence to discredit the belief. When faced with evidence that contradicts their beliefs, people may choose to discredit, dismiss, misinterpret, or place little significance on the contradictory information.


There can be no other explanation for the still exceptionally high Republican support for this failed man and failing administration.
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Posted 2018-June-20, 10:17

From Felicia Sonmez at WaPo:

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Republican strategist Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), announced early Wednesday that he is leaving the Republican Party, which he decried as “fully the party of Trump” and “a danger to our democracy and values.”

In early-morning tweets, Schmidt, a vocal Trump critic, urged voters to elect Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections and harshly criticized the administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the U.S. border, describing the government-run detention centers as “internment camps for babies.”

“29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life,” Schmidt wrote. “Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump.”

After Trump’s contentious appearance at the Group of Seven summit in Canada this month, Schmidt condemned Republican Party leaders for not being more critical of the president. On Wednesday, Schmidt doubled down on that criticism, saying that with the exception of Republican governors Charlie Baker of Massachusetts, Larry Hogan of Maryland and John Kasich of Ohio, the Republican Party is “filled with feckless cowards who disgrace and dishonor the legacies of the party’s greatest leaders.”

All three governors have denounced the Trump administration’s separation policy.

“This child separation policy is connected to the worst abuses of humanity in our history,” Schmidt wrote. “It is connected by the same evil that separated families during slavery and dislocated tribes and broke up Native American families. It is immoral and must be repudiated. Our country is in trouble. Our politics are badly broken.”

“The first step to a season of renewal in our land is the absolute and utter repudiation of Trump and his vile enablers in the 2018 election by electing Democratic majorities,” Schmidt added.

What is step 2? George Bush to the rescue?
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Posted 2018-June-20, 10:52

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McClatchy DC:

Buyers connected to Russia or former Soviet republics made 86 all-cash sales — totaling nearly $109 million — at 10 Trump-branded properties in South Florida and New York City, according to a new analysis shared with McClatchy. Many of them made purchases using shell companies designed to obscure their identities.

“The size and scope of these cash purchases are deeply troubling as they can often signal money laundering activity," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and a former federal prosecutor. "There have long been credible allegations of money laundering by the Trump Organization which, if true, would pose a real threat to the United States in the event that Russia were able to leverage evidence of illicit financial transactions against the president."

There's nothing illegal about accepting cash for real estate. But transactions that do not involve mortgages — which account for one in four residential purchases in the country — raise red flags for law enforcement officials as it could be a way to commit fraud or launder money.

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Posted 2018-June-22, 08:34

From It Can Happen Here, a review of two books by Cass Sunstein at NYRB:

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Liberal democracy has enjoyed much better days. Vladimir Putin has entrenched authoritarian rule and is firmly in charge of a resurgent Russia. In global influence, China may have surpassed the United States, and Chinese president Xi Jinping is now empowered to remain in office indefinitely. In light of recent turns toward authoritarianism in Turkey, Poland, Hungary, and the Philippines, there is widespread talk of a “democratic recession.” In the United States, President Donald Trump may not be sufficiently committed to constitutional principles of democratic government.

In such a time, we might be tempted to try to learn something from earlier turns toward authoritarianism, particularly the triumphant rise of the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s. The problem is that Nazism was so horrifying and so barbaric that for many people in nations where authoritarianism is now achieving a foothold, it is hard to see parallels between Hitler’s regime and their own governments. Many accounts of the Nazi period depict a barely imaginable series of events, a nation gone mad. That makes it easy to take comfort in the thought that it can’t happen again.

But some depictions of Hitler’s rise are more intimate and personal. They focus less on well-known leaders, significant events, state propaganda, murders, and war, and more on the details of individual lives. They help explain how people can not only participate in dreadful things but also stand by quietly and live fairly ordinary days in the midst of them. They offer lessons for people who now live with genuine horrors, and also for those to whom horrors may never come but who live in nations where democratic practices and norms are under severe pressure.

Milton Mayer’s 1955 classic They Thought They Were Free, recently republished with an afterword by the Cambridge historian Richard J. Evans, was one of the first accounts of ordinary life under Nazism. Dotted with humor and written with an improbably light touch, it provides a jarring contrast with Sebastian Haffner’s devastating, unfinished 1939 memoir, Defying Hitler, which gives a moment-by-moment, you-are-there feeling to Hitler’s rise. (The manuscript was discovered by Haffner’s son after the author’s death and published in 2000 in Germany, where it became an immediate sensation.)* A much broader perspective comes from Konrad Jarausch’s Broken Lives, an effort to reconstruct the experience of Germans across the entire twentieth century. What distinguishes the three books is their sense of intimacy. They do not focus on historic figures making transformative decisions. They explore how ordinary people attempted to navigate their lives under terrible conditions.

Haffner’s real name was Raimund Pretzel. (He used a pseudonym so as not to endanger his family while in exile in England.) He was a journalist, not a historian or political theorist, but he interrupts his riveting narrative to tackle a broad question: “What is history, and where does it take place?” He objects that most works of history give “the impression that no more than a few dozen people are involved, who happen to be ‘at the helm of the ship of state’ and whose deeds and decisions form what is called history.” In his view, that’s wrong. What matters are “we anonymous others” who are not just “pawns in the chess game,” because the “most powerful dictators, ministers, and generals are powerless against the simultaneous mass decisions taken individually and almost unconsciously by the population at large.” Haffner insists on the importance of investigating “some very peculiar, very revealing, mental processes and experiences,” involving “the private lives, emotions and thoughts of individual Germans.”

Mayer had the same aim. An American journalist of German descent, he tried to meet with Hitler in 1935. He failed, but he did travel widely in Nazi Germany. Stunned to discover a mass movement rather than a tyranny of a diabolical few, he concluded that his real interest was not in Hitler but in people like himself, to whom “something had happened that had not (or at least not yet) happened to me and my fellow-countrymen.” In 1951, he returned to Germany to find out what had made Nazism possible.

In They Thought They Were Free, Mayer decided to focus on ten people, different in many respects but with one characteristic in common: they had all been members of the Nazi Party. Eventually they agreed to talk, accepting his explanation that he hoped to enable the people of his nation to have a better understanding of Germany. Mayer was truthful about that and about nearly everything else. But he did not tell them that he was a Jew.

In the late 1930s—the period that most interested Mayer—his subjects were working as a janitor, a soldier, a cabinetmaker, an office manager, a baker, a bill collector, an inspector, a high school teacher, and a police officer. One had been a high school student. All were male. None of them occupied positions of leadership or influence. All of them referred to themselves as “wir kleine Leute, we little people.” They lived in Marburg, a university town on the river Lahn, not far from Frankfurt.

Mayer talked with them over the course of a year, under informal conditions—coffee, meals, and long, relaxed evenings. He became friends with each (and throughout he refers to them as such). As he put it, with evident surprise, “I liked them. I couldn’t help it.” They could be ironic, funny, and self-deprecating. Most of them enjoyed a joke that originated in Nazi Germany: “What is an Aryan? An Aryan is a man who is tall like Hitler, blond like Goebbels, and lithe like Göring.” They also could be wise. Speaking of the views of ordinary people under Hitler, one of them asked:

Opposition? How would anybody know? How would anybody know what somebody else opposes or doesn’t oppose? That a man says he opposes or doesn’t oppose depends upon the circumstances, where, and when, and to whom, and just how he says it. And then you must still guess why he says what he says.

When Mayer returned home, he was afraid for his own country. He felt “that it was not German Man that I had met, but Man,” and that under the right conditions, he could well have turned out as his German friends did. He learned that Nazism took over Germany not “by subversion from within, but with a whoop and a holler.” Many Germans “wanted it; they got it; and they liked it.”

Mayer’s most stunning conclusion is that with one partial exception (the teacher), none of his subjects “saw Nazism as we—you and I—saw it in any respect.” Where most of us understand Nazism as a form of tyranny, Mayer’s subjects “did not know before 1933 that Nazism was evil. They did not know between 1933 and 1945 that it was evil. And they do not know it now.” Seven years after the war, they looked back on the period from 1933 to 1939 as the best time of their lives.

Mayer suggests that even when tyrannical governments do horrific things, outsiders tend to exaggerate their effects on the actual experiences of most citizens, who focus on their own lives and “the sights which meet them in their daily rounds.” Nazism made things better for the people Mayer interviewed, not (as many think) because it restored some lost national pride but because it improved daily life. Germans had jobs and better housing. They were able to vacation in Norway or Spain through the “Strength Through Joy” program. Fewer people were hungry or cold, and the sick were more likely to receive treatment. The blessings of the New Order, as it was called, seemed to be enjoyed by “everybody.”

Even in retrospect Mayer’s subjects liked and admired Hitler. They saw him as someone who had “a feeling for masses of people” and spoke directly in opposition to the Versailles Treaty, to unemployment—to all aspects of the existing order. They applauded Hitler for his rejection of “the whole pack”—“all the parliamentary politicians and all the parliamentary parties”—and for his “cleanup of moral degenerates.” The bank clerk described Hitler as “a spellbinder, a natural orator. I think he was carried away from truth, even from truth, by his passion. Even so, he always believed what he said.”

Mayer did not bring up the topic of anti-Semitism with any of his subjects, but after a few meetings, each of them did so on his own, and they returned to it constantly. When the local synagogue was burned in 1938, most of the community was under only one obligation: “not to interfere.” Eventually Mayer showed his subjects the local newspaper from November 11, 1938, which contained a report: “In the interest of their own security, a number of male Jews were taken into custody yesterday. This morning they were sent away from the city.” None of them remembered seeing it, or indeed anything like it.

The killing of six million Jews? Fake news. Four of Mayer’s subjects insisted that the only Jews taken to concentration camps were traitors to Germany, and that the rest were permitted to leave with their property or its fair market value. The bill collector agreed that the killing of the Jews “was wrong, unless they committed treason in wartime. And of course they did.” He added that “some say it happened and some say it didn’t,” and that you “can show me pictures of skulls…but that doesn’t prove it.” In any case, “Hitler had nothing to do with it.” The tailor spoke similarly: “If it happened, it was wrong. But I don’t believe it happened.”

With evident fatigue, the baker reported, “One had no time to think. There was so much going on.” His account was similar to that of one of Mayer’s colleagues, a German philologist in the country at the time, who emphasized the devastatingly incremental nature of the descent into tyranny and said that “we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us.” The philologist pointed to a regime bent on diverting its people through endless dramas (often involving real or imagined enemies), and “the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise.” In his account, “each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’” that people could no more see it “developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.”

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After the war, defeat meant a new beginning for many, a kind of opportunity, and Jarausch shows how Germans—grim, shell-shocked, determined—returned to ordinary life and bet on a better future. Avoiding nationalism or even national pride, they succeeded in rebuilding their economy and their morale. Jarausch’s main focus is on West Germany, but he devotes considerable attention to the collapse of communism in the German Democratic Republic, suggesting that it foundered because it disappointed and disillusioned its citizens. Though his unifying theme is that the lives of countless Germans were broken in multiple ways, his conclusion is upbeat: many Germans have been transformed “into sincere democrats and pacifists who want to prevent a recurrence of earlier horrors.”

For those who seek to understand the German experience in the twentieth century, Jarausch has done a tremendous service. He paints on a much broader canvas than Mayer and Haffner, even when he explores Hitler’s rise. But precisely because of the fine-grained, intimate nature of their accounts, Mayer and Haffner speak more directly to those concerned about what makes authoritarianism possible. Of course we can’t be sure whether to believe Mayer’s subjects when they claim ignorance of what Hitler actually did. (Mayer isn’t sure either.) But they are convincing when they say that at the time they were mostly focused on their families, their friends, and their everyday lives. Haffner’s depiction of the “automatic continuation of ordinary life,” possible for so many amid their government’s step-by-step assault on freedom and dignity, is in the same vein.

All three authors are keenly aware that their narratives offer important lessons, and these should not be lost on contemporary readers. Turkey, for example, has been sliding toward authoritarianism through tactics not unlike those of the Nazis: jailing political dissidents, attacking freedom of speech, treating critics as enemies of the state, and obliterating checks and balances. Thus far, President Trump has been more bark than bite. But some of the barks have a history that is at once ugly and revealing. The Nazis applied the term Lügenpresse (lying press) to the mainstream press; President Trump refers to the “FAKE NEWS media,” which, he says, “is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!” In significant domains (including climate change), his administration denigrates science; he has even failed to fill the position of White House science adviser. The Nazis also dismissed or politicized science (especially Einstein’s “Jewish Science”) in favor of what they claimed to be the spirit of the Volk.

If the president of the United States is constantly lying, complaining that the independent press is responsible for fake news, calling for the withdrawal of licenses from television networks, publicly demanding jail sentences for political opponents, undermining the authority of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, magnifying social divisions, delegitimizing critics as “crooked” or “failing,” and even refusing, in violation of the law, to protect young children against the risks associated with lead paint—well, it’s not fascism, but the United States has not seen anything like it before.

With our system of checks and balances, full-blown authoritarianism is unlikely to happen here, but it would be foolish to ignore the risks that Trump and his administration pose to established norms and institutions, which help preserve both order and liberty. Those risks will grow if opposition to violations of long-standing norms is limited to Democrats, and if Republicans laugh, applaud, agree with, or make excuses for Trump—if they howl with the wolf.

In their different ways, Mayer, Haffner, and Jarausch show how habituation, confusion, distraction, self-interest, fear, rationalization, and a sense of personal powerlessness make terrible things possible. They call attention to the importance of individual actions of conscience both small and large, by people who never make it into the history books. Nearly two centuries ago, James Madison warned: “Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks—no form of government can render us secure.” Haffner offered something like a corollary, which is that the ultimate safeguard against aspiring authoritarians, and wolves of all kinds, lies in individual conscience: in “decisions taken individually and almost unconsciously by the population at large.”

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Posted 2018-June-22, 09:21

View Posty66, on 2018-June-22, 08:34, said:

From It Can Happen Here, a review of two books by Cass Sunstein at NYRB:


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Nazism took over Germany not “by subversion from within, but with a whoop and a holler.” Many Germans “wanted it; they got it; and they liked it.”


From the original German, the whoop and holler translated to, "Lock her up!"
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Posted 2018-June-22, 09:26

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Mayer suggests that even when tyrannical governments do horrific things, outsiders tend to exaggerate their effects on the actual experiences of most citizens, who focus on their own lives and “the sights which meet them in their daily rounds.” Nazism made things better for the people Mayer interviewed, not (as many think) because it restored some lost national pride but because it improved daily life. Germans had jobs and better housing. They were able to vacation in Norway or Spain through the “Strength Through Joy” program. Fewer people were hungry or cold, and the sick were more likely to receive treatment. The blessings of the New Order, as it was called, seemed to be enjoyed by “everybody.”


This, I believe, is the critical aspect of these types of movements, as it describes the pure unbridled selfishness that is at the heart of such ideologies, the tribalism that conveniently forgets that the improvement in lives of this methodology comes at the cost of decreased lives of others, those who are equally human and equally entitled.
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Posted 2018-June-22, 11:34

Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in summer 2016
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Posted 2018-June-22, 13:28

View Postandrei, on 2018-June-22, 11:34, said:



Note however that this very same article mentions:

1. Most of what was shut down was "retaliation" efforts against Russia, which Obama feared would set off a full-scale cyber war, and which he assumed the incoming administration would pursue if appropriate.
2. Obama's attempt to get a unified statement against Russia from both parties was rebuffed by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan (apparently they were fine with Russia interfering in the election).
3. The new administration has done little to nothing to retaliate or deter further hacking, instead pursuing a pro-Russia policy and denying for a very long time that Russia interfered at all.

So yes, Obama could have/should have taken stronger action against Russia in summer 2016. I think we can all agree on that (with the benefit of hindsight). Obama made lots of mistakes during his presidency -- his weakness was always that he genuinely believed the best of other people, that they had the best interests of the country (and world) at heart. He always seemed befuddled when the Republicans stabbed him in the back instead (even when a realist would've expected it).

But while Obama took too soft a line on Russia, what this administration (and Congress) has done verges on treason. They've rewarded Russia (breaking the Iran deal to raise the price of oil, alienating our allies and weakening NATO and the EU, basically ceding Syria to Russian control, and even trying to get sanctions lifted and excusing the Russian invasion of Crimea) and done nothing to prevent similar cyber attacks in the future.
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Posted 2018-June-22, 14:47

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What is your point in posting this? No one to the left of you considers Obama perfect or anyone else that way, either. No doubt, Obama was too cautious about a number of issues, but his cautious, thoughtful approach to problems was also one of his great strengths.

It's called being human - something the right knows nothing about.
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Posted 2018-June-22, 18:38

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Kathy Cramer, author of “The Politics of Resentment,” has spent countless hours with Trump supporters in Wisconsin, exploring the edges of their political decisions. “We shouldn’t expect people who voted for Trump to say, ‘Yeah, you’re right, I made a mistake,’ ” she said. “So often, they preface their support of him with, ‘Well, I wish he didn’t behave like that.’ They don’t love him. But I don’t see signs of embarrassment. They see the investigation and the news media as conspiring against Trump. They still want respect, to be heard, to not be looked down on.”


The conundrum, IMO, is that to get the respect they want, the first step is to admit to a mistake. We are all capable of doing and thinking stupid things from time to time. No bid deal. Admit you were taken and move on - you won't be thought less of if you do.
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Posted 2018-June-23, 01:52

While Dennison claims the current good economy is all due to him, many people including me think that presidents are rarely the primary reason for major swings in the economy.

But there there is this: Increased threat of a trade war is ramping up fears of a 'full-blown recession'

In this case, Dennison's unilateral tariffs may start a near global trade war. If this causes a recession, this would be 100% Dennison's fault but I predict he will blame the immigrants from non-white countries, Democrats, Obama, Canada, and Angela Merkel.
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Posted 2018-June-23, 12:20

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While Dennison claims the current good economy is all due to him, many people including me think that presidents are rarely the primary reason for major swings in the economy.

But there there is this: Increased threat of a trade war is ramping up fears of a 'full-blown recession'

In this case, Dennison's unilateral tariffs may start a near global trade war. If this causes a recession, this would be 100% Dennison's fault but I predict he will blame the immigrants from non-white countries, Democrats, Obama, Canada, and Angela Merkel.


I would not blame Dennison for a recession. Recessions are pretty normal events and cyclical. What I would blame Dennison for is the trade war itself, and his lack of negotiating skills.
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Posted 2018-June-24, 15:03

View PostWinstonm, on 2018-June-23, 12:20, said:

I would not blame Dennison for a recession. Recessions are pretty normal events and cyclical. What I would blame Dennison for is the trade war itself, and his lack of negotiating skills.

Forest fires also occur naturally. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't properly put out a camp fire -- if you leave embers burning, you're to blame if it expands into a wildfire.

We know what triggered the 2008 Great Recession. In the aftermath, we put regulations in place to try to prevent similar problems. The Trump administration is deliberately scaling back those protections. If we get a similar recession, I think we know who to blame.

And trade wars are not good for the economy. He claims to be doing this to protect our jobs. But if manufacturers can't afford their raw materials, they're not going to be able to afford workers.

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Posted 2018-June-24, 15:18

View Postbarmar, on 2018-June-24, 15:03, said:

Forest fires also occur naturally. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't properly put out a camp fire -- if you leave embers burning, you're to blame if it expands into a wildfire.

We know what triggered the 2008 Great Recession. In the aftermath, we put regulations in place to try to prevent similar problems. The Trump administration is deliberately scaling back those protections. If we get a similar recession, I think we know who to blame.

And trade wars are not good for the economy. He claims to be doing this to protect our jobs. But if manufacturers can't afford their raw materials, they're not going to be able to afford workers.

Fire "suppression" practices can and do result in fewer but often bigger fires. Rubin and Sommers pretty much saw to the gutting of Glass-Steagle. Dodd-Frank is of questionable impact depending on application and enforcement (From what I gather.) Trump, the wheeler-dealer may well be playing economic chicken with the Chinese but the outcome will likely be reversible as needed. Some saw detente as collusion. Confrontation can lead to acquiessence or conflict. Time will tell.
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Posted 2018-June-24, 17:21

View Postbarmar, on 2018-June-24, 15:03, said:

Forest fires also occur naturally. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't properly put out a camp fire -- if you leave embers burning, you're to blame if it expands into a wildfire.

We know what triggered the 2008 Great Recession. In the aftermath, we put regulations in place to try to prevent similar problems. The Trump administration is deliberately scaling back those protections. If we get a similar recession, I think we know who to blame.

And trade wars are not good for the economy. He claims to be doing this to protect our jobs. But if manufacturers can't afford their raw materials, they're not going to be able to afford workers.


The Great Recession was a culmination of events and policies. Both parties contributed - some more than others.
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Posted 2018-June-25, 12:46

African-American. Italian-American. Irish-American. Arab-American. Even Native American. These all emphasis where we, or our ancestors, came from. Thing is, we're all here now, and we have to learn to live together. When I was a kid, I thought everybody knew that. Apparently I was wrong then, and much more wrong now. But if we don't learn it, and soon, well, I hold out not much hope for this country.
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Posted 2018-June-26, 01:11

‘Children As Young As 5’ Could Face Immigration Court Alone, Experts Say

Just when you think your head isn't ready to explode, you see stories like the link above. How many people beyond Dennison flunkies think a 5 year old is capable of arguing before a court why they shouldn't be deported?

Or have I being punked again by https://www.theonion.com/
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Posted 2018-June-26, 12:50

Anyone else notice that the three recent SC cases have been decided 5-4? McConnell wins; democracy loses.
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Posted 2018-June-26, 17:43

View PostWinstonm, on 2018-June-23, 12:20, said:

I would not blame Dennison for a recession. Recessions are pretty normal events and cyclical. What I would blame Dennison for is the trade war itself, and his lack of negotiating skills.


Dennison tariffs could put up to 2 million US jobs at risk.

https://www.msn.com/...cSJM?li=BBnbfcN

A recession started by an intentional and incoherent trade war is neither normal nor cyclical.
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