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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

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Posted Today, 17:30

View Postawm, on 2017-June-26, 12:31, said:

Seems to me it's the pro-gun lobby which is being unreasonable. Some examples:

1. Almost no one thinks mentally ill people ought to be able to buy weapons. In fact we have laws preventing them from doing so already! But these laws have a few loopholes (gun shows for example) and the pro-gun folks have refused to close them. And recently the Republican government has made it easier for mentally ill people to get guns.

2. There is new technology using finger prints to make sure only a guns owner can fire the weapon. We anti-gun folks would like such technology to be available in stores. Note that we are perfectly willing to compromise by not REQUIRING such tech on new weapons, we just want it to be available so responsible gun owners can choose to get it. Nope, pro-gun lobby fearing a "slippery slope" will not allow this tech in US.

3. Okay, we all have different data we like to cite about other countries. I personally think Australia is a good example because it used to have permissive gun laws and high rate of gun ownership and killings (like USA) and they changed the laws and the stats changed! But okay, the other side finds flaws there. So how about we start to simply COLLECT data on gun deaths in USA? Nope, pro-gun lobby has zeroed out all government funding for such research.

BTW, my new home in Switzerland has an interesting model and a high rate of gun ownership. But you have to be trained and you have to be licensed (like how we treat autos). So no untrained idiots, everyone knows how to secure their weapons without toddler getting them, how to clean their guns without shooting self in leg, how to shoot their guns with at least some degree of accuracy. Seems like a sensible "middle ground" policy and nothing like a gun ban. Total no-go with the NRA in the states, not even negotiable.

And what about the quote:

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“The moral argument is ‘guns can’t be both good and bad.’ This is just a logical thing, and since you will need guns in the hands of police to take away guns from the hands of private citizens then you’re saying guns in the hands of the government are really good and guns in the hands of private citizens are really bad. And what you’ve then done is you’ve created opposite moral standards for two groups of people who are not differentiated by anything except a concept called ‘The State’.”


If guns are lethal weapons that require this extensive type of governmental regulation and public restraint, why assume that local, state, and federal police officers aka agents of The State are best suited to use these lethal instruments in their execution of their public safety duties against the general public? Again, it smacks of a moral double standard. If guns are dangerous instruments of evil beyond responsible use, no one should be holstering them to effect lethal damage upon citizens. I don't see how placing a gun in the hands of a human begin with a badge and uniform is removing the attendant evil and risks involved in the use of a firearm.

I was under the assumption that the 2nd Amendment is one of our unalienable rights; therefore, we shouldn't be in the business of infringing on the 2nd Amendment simply because of unpleasant outcomes that make the national nightly news.

I think gun control brings up another large concern:

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Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The State frowns upon its own citizens deciding when they can exit this thing called "Life". That is for the Creator and the State to decide. Is the state trying to clamp down on the "unreasonable" suicide rate in the country through gun control?
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Posted Today, 18:03

think gun control brings up another large concern:
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Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The State frowns upon its own citizens deciding when they can exit this thing called "Life". That is for the Creator and the State to decide. Is the state trying to clamp down on the "unreasonable" suicide rate in the country through gun control?

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