[kenrexford]

mikeh, on 2015-August-05, 20:50, said:

Offering 2S as a possible contract on a 4 card suit makes very little sense to me after a 1S opening on my left. I am sure that there are layouts on which this would lead to a playable contract, but IMO there will be far more layouts where we have landed in the crap with no place to run, having painted an excellent picture of our hand for the benefit of the opps

I agree entirely. As I did not have my glasses on, I thought Opener opened and rebids hearts. After reconsideration with glasses, a spade canape may be dubious.

[helene_t]

2♠ could be both minors in which case advancer can still check back with 2NT. Maybe 5-4 shouldn't balance other than double, while 6-5 would have acted before, but I think 6-4 and 4-6 are both possible.

[karlson]

I would play 2♠ natural for sure.

The actual hand looks like an automatic double.

[Winstonm]

helene_t, on 2015-August-06, 03:12, said:

2♠ could be both minors in which case advancer can still check back with 2NT. Maybe 5-4 shouldn't balance other than double, while 6-5 would have acted before, but I think 6-4 and 4-6 are both possible.

I would think the main thing about a non-natural use of 2S is that it probably should show a heart void - a hand strongly against playing 2H doubled.

[beautyleg]

When passing first with 11hcp and a void, you are no expert to ask the question in this level of discussion. What's more, you passed first because you thought your hand was no good for score and then you felt like trying a contract when you two were both "vulnerable"? You obviously had no idea of what you were bidding.

[wank]

oh dear beautyleg. you might try a little humility. most of the people here are far stronger players than you, having played international representative bridge for example (unlike you, i don't need to trawl through your play records to see that. by the way, as far as i'm concerned, that was a little creepy in the previous thread. the way you see problems in a very basic way makes it obvious you're not as strong a player as you think).

Bbo forums are a great tool to learn if you approach it with an open mind.

it's obviously right to pass over 1NT. that has no impact whatsoever on our decision whether or not to bid now. we passed over 1nt, because we didn't have a sensible bid to make (good players very rarely overcall kxxxx at the 2 level, especially in a minor). now they've stopped in our void we have the option of doubling and describing our shape nicely. i'd never pass. yes bad things can happen. bad things can always happen. positivity wins imps.

[emalka]

I made a simulation of 100 deals with Deal3.1 hand generator.I gave west 5 spades, 4-5 hearts and 11-16 hcp, east 0-2 spades, 3-4 hearts and 6-9 hcp,
north 5 hearts.

Doubling or bidding 2NT by South is a clear winner.
Bidding 3 clubs/diamonds ( or 5c/d a couple of times ) after 2NT wins on average 1.2 imps/board.
There were over twenty double partscore swings and about the same amount
two imp wins ( +110 vs. +50 )

Doubling might be better, but it will backfire a few times in practice.

[ladydoc]

dboxley, on 2015-August-04, 06:27, said:

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two NT, showing both minors, with no doubt

[ladydoc]

dboxley, on 2015-August-04, 06:27, said:

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two NT, showing both minors, with no doubt

[PhilKing]

emalka, on 2015-August-08, 02:42, said:

I made a simulation of 100 deals with Deal3.1 hand generator.I gave west 5 spades, 4-5 hearts and 11-16 hcp, east 0-2 spades, 3-4 hearts and 6-9 hcp,
north 5 hearts.

Doubling or bidding 2NT by South is a clear winner.
Bidding 3 clubs/diamonds ( or 5c/d a couple of times ) after 2NT wins on average 1.2 imps/board.
There were over twenty double partscore swings and about the same amount
two imp wins ( +110 vs. +50 )

Doubling might be better, but it will backfire a few times in practice.

There are a couple of mistakes here. Partner could have four hearts, and he could even have six.