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#1 User is offline   1eyedjack 

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Posted 2015-July-25, 01:47


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It is unfortunate that the explanations of South's bids are not displayed, but there is nothing odd there. I believe that the 2H bid shows 4-5 Hearts, no further limitation on strength, and that any other call than 2H would deny 4 of them. By all means correct me.

Focus on North's 3S. Is it forcing? It is not obvious from the explanation whether GIB intended it as forcing. It is not hard to construct hands within the stated range in which North would WANT to force. But in that case why place an upper limit on the range? As to whether 3S is a SENSIBLE bid on this hand, that is another issue.
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Posted 2015-July-25, 05:40

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-July-25, 01:47, said:

... why place an upper limit on the range?
The upper limit is there because North is a passed hand.

What is causing all of your bids to be unexplained in all of these hands?
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Posted 2015-July-25, 06:13

OK that makes sense. It makes sense fo the 3S to be forcing. Not convinced that north has enough. Having bid 2c earlier presumably pass would show invite with 4 spades
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Posted 2015-July-25, 06:21

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-July-25, 06:13, said:

Having bid 2c earlier presumably pass would show invite with 4 spades

Not true. GIB doesn't promise a major with Stayman, and the 3 bid prevents him from distinguishing.
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Posted 2015-July-25, 09:17

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-July-25, 06:13, said:

OK that makes sense. It makes sense fo the 3S to be forcing. Not convinced that north has enough. Having bid 2c earlier presumably pass would show invite with 4 spades

I don't think it's forcing. With clubs stopped and 4 can bid 3N. Presumably wouldn't Stayman and bid 3N without 4M but I'm not 100% sure with interference.

So 3 should have some doubt about final contract, sure has values for 3N (well at least it's bid showed values it doesn't quite have it but close). So maybe end up in 4 if 3/3N/4 no good.

At least that's how I would play it in interference, who knows what Gib's plan is, if it has a plan.
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Posted 2015-July-26, 18:37

GIB does not play Garbage Stayman. That is not my choice, but it should help GIB here. If 2C showed at least invitational values, as I believe it does, N has an easy pass over the 3C interference.
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Posted 2015-July-26, 18:43

View Postiandayre, on 2015-July-26, 18:37, said:

GIB does not play Garbage Stayman. That is not my choice, but it should help GIB here. If 2C showed at least invitational values, as I believe it does, N has an easy pass over the 3C interference.

It would be nice if this were included in the explanation of North's double.
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Posted 2015-July-26, 19:06

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-July-26, 18:43, said:

It would be nice if this were included in the explanation of North's double.


True. I don't remember how ordinary Stayman by a passed hand is defined, I wonder if it is any different.
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Posted 2015-July-26, 19:21

View Postiandayre, on 2015-July-26, 19:06, said:

True. I don't remember how ordinary Stayman by a passed hand is defined, I wonder if it is any different.

That is defined exactly the same way as this one.
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Posted 2015-July-26, 20:20

View Postiandayre, on 2015-July-26, 18:37, said:

GIB does not play Garbage Stayman. That is not my choice, but it should help GIB here. If 2C showed at least invitational values, as I believe it does, N has an easy pass over the 3C interference.

Really you'd risk moving from a good escape to a bad major hand. Its crappelliti.
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Posted 2015-July-27, 09:46

View Postcloa513, on 2015-July-26, 20:20, said:

Really you'd risk moving from a good escape to a bad major hand. Its crappelliti.


I don't understand this comment. I said that N should pass 3C, not "escape" anywhere. What are you suggesting?
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