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If the bidding goes 1♣-1♥-1♠-4♥-4♠, the question I have is if the 4♠bid is a forcing pass situation? What about distributional hands with spade support after a preempt in which opener thinks can make 4♠ but only because distributional not because of any hcp values (i.e. 6 loser hand or better)
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Forcing Pass When is a forcing pass?
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Posted 2015-July-19, 10:52
For me . . . not a forcing pass situation. However, I would expect a powerful hand for the 4♠ call, or extreme distribution.
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Posted 2015-July-19, 10:55
For me also not a forcing pass. There is no guarantee your side as the majority of the high cards, nor that 4S is making and 4H isn't (in fact I'd have thought it about 50/50)
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Posted 2015-July-19, 13:42
masse24, on 2015-July-19, 10:52, said:
For me . . . not a forcing pass situation. However, I would expect a powerful hand for the 4♠ call, or extreme distribution.
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Posted 2015-July-23, 23:18
For a full discussion on forcing passes see: http://www.bridge.is..._2054397795.pdf
Chapter 4 page 147.
Chapter 4 page 147.
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Posted 2015-July-29, 10:23
camilleln, on 2015-July-19, 10:12, said:
If the bidding goes 1♣-1♥-1♠-4♥-4♠, the question I have is if the 4♠bid is a forcing pass situation? What about distributional hands with spade support after a preempt in which opener thinks can make 4♠ but only because distributional not because of any hcp values (i.e. 6 loser hand or better)
FrancesHinden, on 2015-July-19, 10:55, said:
For me also not a forcing pass. There is no guarantee your side as the majority of the high cards, nor that 4S is making and 4H isn't (in fact I'd have thought it about 50/50)
So for me I play that when you bid game constructively or semi constructively at red vs green, it always creates a FP at the 5 level. So here, if we are vul vs not, then I would think its a FP if they bid at the 5 level, and would be kinda surprised if you didnt also play that frances?
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Posted 2015-July-30, 04:27
You are "kinda surprised" about a lot of things that are totally normal. Maybe you don't know as much about bridge as you think, and people that you are "kinda surprised" about playing something different than you and being far superior than you at bridge should be a clue about certain things?
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Posted 2015-July-30, 05:02
Membership of the "we are at red so we must double them" sect has been in decline since the late seventies.
You often have to bid game speculatively in competitive auctions, and for this to set up a force is just horrible.
You often have to bid game speculatively in competitive auctions, and for this to set up a force is just horrible.
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