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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2015-July-17, 05:45

Txx
Kxx
QJT
AQJx

Our LHO deals and it goes:

1S-p-4S-?

Opps' 4S shows 5+ spades and at most 8 points. We are NV vs V (sorry you're a robot so you are not allowed to know the scoring).

I know Bradley usually posts these hands before posting the full hand but I didn't think there would be a controversy about this.

This post has been edited by gwnn: 2015-July-17, 06:30

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Posted 2015-July-17, 06:23

Worth posting the vul and scoring, but I pass at any combination.
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Posted 2015-July-17, 06:28

It's about how much you trust opps. But if you can, p is obv void in spades. It didn't surprise me that GIB's sims favoured dbl.

But probably only at favourable. It could get too expensive.
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Posted 2015-July-17, 07:09

I suppose I could construct a more obvious pass. But not by much.

Sure, maybe partner is void in spades. If he is, he still did not act over 1. Hmmm.
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Posted 2015-July-17, 08:25

So I'm the robot? Is this a Best Hand tourney? Doesn't seem likely, since that would mean partner has at least 13 HCP, short spades, and couldn't find a takeout double

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Posted 2015-July-17, 08:31

View Postbarmar, on 2015-July-17, 08:25, said:

So I'm the robot? Is this a Best Hand tourney? Doesn't seem likely, since that would mean partner has at least 13 HCP, short spades, and couldn't find a takeout double

You just don't know the scoring, that was my point. Spoiler:

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Posted 2015-July-17, 08:32

Pass. Even if I could see a spade void in partner's hand would I want to bid?
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Posted 2015-July-17, 10:48

Another vote to pass. PD likely has a void and didn't bid and maybe close to broke.
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Posted 2015-July-18, 05:52

Agree with pass.
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Posted 2015-July-18, 07:22

Pass is obvious.
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Posted 2015-July-19, 04:23

A typical wtf pass. Who said LHO has a 5332 12-count? If he had, p would have found some other bid than pass over 1S.
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Posted 2015-July-19, 09:02

Used to be that a double of 4 was for penalties. Not so clear any more. If partner has a max (10 points, prime cards) repeated spade leads could set this contract a lot. But, you're not on lead, partner doesn't have to have anything useful, and strength sits behind you. Pass unless you really need a swing.
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Posted 2015-July-19, 10:06

i found a card typed as "TD" in my bidding box, may i use it this time
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Posted 2015-July-21, 04:49

Most obvious pass ever
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Posted 2015-July-21, 06:57

What does partner have ?

Probably a spade void and an 8 count that couldn't WJO (don't know what GIB does for 2 suited overcalls).

Are opps making 4 ? possibly but probably not.

Are we making game ? it's possible but not that likely, yes partner can have void, AQxx, Kxxx, 109xxx or similar, but we might not play the right game opposite that.

I just pass
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Posted 2015-July-21, 10:41

If partner has a spade void... he knows that himself, we don't have to bid it for him. If we pass and partner does somehow find another bid, will he even be pleasantly surprised by what we have? Honestly, the only thing we have is maybe 3 HCP more than partner can expect, otherwise our hand is disgusting in every way. Pass.
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Posted 2015-July-23, 13:57

Pass.

If you double, partner, with a void, may find some reason to "save" and bid. Unfortunately, with your flat hand, you're hand isn't likely to provide much trick taking assistance (i.e. short hand ruffs) beyond your point count. That can be a formula for a phone number set. Or, worse, partner might just have to pass and they make.

If you pass and partner finds a call, whatever happens is on him/her.
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