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#1 User is offline   KurtGodel 

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Posted 2015-June-19, 16:59

You are playing with an international against two internationals in an IMPs pairs game.

They are playing some sort of multi, so they could not have opened a weak 2. Your lead?
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Posted 2015-June-19, 17:19

Small heart stands out to me. P didn't X for a spade, it sounds like they have enough trumps that leading my stiff won't prevent much, and it definitely doesn't sound like a club lead will embarrass them.
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Posted 2015-June-19, 17:25

View PostJinksy, on 2015-June-19, 17:19, said:

Small heart stands out to me. P didn't X for a spade, it sounds like they have enough trumps that leading my stiff won't prevent much, and it definitely doesn't sound like a club lead will embarrass them.

My partner thought so to. I'll wait a bit to see what other people before I say for why I don't think this is necessarily true.
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Posted 2015-June-19, 22:33

nonexpert answer here.

I will try Js.

I just hate to lead from a Q given Michael Rosenberg's comments over the years. Call it my bias.

I wont lead a trump given Bobby Wolf's comments over the years. Again call it a bias.
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Posted 2015-June-20, 04:35

Partner managed a 2C overcall red versus white so in my stupidity I lead a C. I just can not find a reason not to start a club. MY LHO obviously holds a decent 2 suited hand and I hope my long S prove to be annoying enough to beat it a trick.
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Posted 2015-June-20, 06:55

Where are the hearts ?

Est didnt make a negative and our partner didnt do a Michaels. So declarer got at least 2/3H and is sure to have 0 or 1 clubs (not a big surprise).

Declarer could get rid of a club on the 3rd H its its 4342 around the table. If we lead clubs however he could get rid of dummy H loser on AKQ of spades but there is not a lot we can do about that.

For sure it look like declarer spades are good and he will need only to ruff 2 more often than 3S. to be cont later...
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Posted 2015-June-20, 14:54

You have the spades stacked. Just make the normal club lead. If you have 2 heart tricks you'll probably still have 2 heart tricks after t1.
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Posted 2015-June-20, 19:22

View PostKurtGodel, on 2015-June-19, 16:59, said:



You are playing with an international against two internationals in an IMPs pairs game.
They are playing some sort of multi, so they could not have opened a weak 2. Your lead?
IMO = 10, = 8. = 6.
If you lead a and 6 makes, it's not your fault. If you lead anything else, however ...
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Posted 2015-June-20, 21:37

Low spade.
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Posted 2015-June-21, 04:10

Queen. Looking on my I feel already the pressure of a squeeze. :)
So P shall guard the .
A lead to give P a ruff or a lead to open the suit can succeed only on the basis of chance.
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Posted 2015-June-24, 04:50

Well partner said that it was 'clear' to lead a heart. I led a spade thinking he might be ruffing it, he thought that he would have doubled with a spade void. I thought that he would double with AK and pass with a spade void, since with the former we are beating 6NT but with the latter we are not. There was a bit of discussion afterwards and the players present agreed that this sort of logic definitely applies vs. a grand slam.
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Posted 2015-June-25, 15:36

I agree with your partner fwiw. Heart is a normal lead on this auction and as such partner should not double with the AK of hearts. A spade is not a normal lead and as such partner should take his chances and double with the spade void (he knows spades don't split and a run to 6N is incredibly unlikely, there is not that much reason to fear the run compared to fear a non spade lead vs 6C).

Doubling when you want a heart lead and passing with a spade void does not make a lot of sense because a lot of hands you want a heart lead don't contain the AK of hearts. For instance the AJ of hearts or the HA or the HK etc etc might all be good enough but you can't know that they are and can't always be doubling then. A heart is a normal lead for obvious reasons on this auction, the 1S then 6D bidder is ready for clubs and is frequently void, he probably has good spades and diamonds, so herp derp heart lead. Doubling needs to ask for something unusual, that means a spade ruff. This logically follows since if you pass partner will do what is "normal" most of the time, in this case that means leading a heart.
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Posted 2015-June-25, 16:18

View Postmike777, on 2015-June-19, 22:33, said:

nonexpert answer here.

I will try Js.

I just hate to lead from a Q given Michael Rosenberg's comments over the years. Call it my bias.

I wont lead a trump given Bobby Wolf's comments over the years. Again call it a bias.


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Posted 2015-June-26, 08:42

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-June-25, 15:36, said:

I agree with your partner fwiw. Heart is a normal lead on this auction and as such partner should not double with the AK of hearts. A spade is not a normal lead and as such partner should take his chances and double with the spade void (he knows spades don't split and a run to 6N is incredibly unlikely, there is not that much reason to fear the run compared to fear a non spade lead vs 6C).

Doubling when you want a heart lead and passing with a spade void does not make a lot of sense because a lot of hands you want a heart lead don't contain the AK of hearts. For instance the AJ of hearts or the HA or the HK etc etc might all be good enough but you can't know that they are and can't always be doubling then. A heart is a normal lead for obvious reasons on this auction, the 1S then 6D bidder is ready for clubs and is frequently void, he probably has good spades and diamonds, so herp derp heart lead. Doubling needs to ask for something unusual, that means a spade ruff. This logically follows since if you pass partner will do what is "normal" most of the time, in this case that means leading a heart.

I see what you mean, I originally thought that I'm only really beating it with a heart if p has AK, but in fact AJ will do too. I feel like if I had K it would have been clear to lead a heart.
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