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doubles are for takeout, even if I got 93%

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Posted 2015-June-16, 11:08



yea I am complaining about a near top. GIB shouldn't pass with this hand.
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Posted 2015-June-16, 16:54

This is probably a matter of simulations. It's a shame we can't see what GIB thinks South's minimum strength is, but North probably expects to go +200 often enough that it's better than making a partscore.
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Posted 2015-June-16, 16:57

Interestingly, this is an Instant Tournament in which the older version of GIB behaved differently:

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Posted 2015-June-16, 20:07

Have a talk with your bot; tell him you know how to play a hand better than most of the others.
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Posted 2015-June-17, 11:03

Gee Id be worried 3 making. you have good hand and is only -1
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Posted 2015-June-17, 13:53

Does anyone remember BBO telling us that GIB's strategy regarding passing takeout doubles had been changed? I don't but it seems that it has been, and not for the better, since the N hand has no business passing. This may be the most often seen, glaring weakness for GIB at this point.
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Posted 2015-June-17, 14:58

I dunno. I can't quite escape the nagging feeling that if we are going to criticise GIB's judgement in converting doubles, it kinda behoves us not to illustrate the point being made with a hand on which GIB gained.
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Posted 2015-June-17, 18:07

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-June-17, 14:58, said:

I dunno. I can't quite escape the nagging feeling that if we are going to criticise GIB's judgement in converting doubles, it kinda behoves us not to illustrate the point being made with a hand on which GIB gained.


With 3-3, you can pickup 4-1 break and make 4 Im surprised 200 a good score. Still not a great game to be in so perhaps GIB judged well.
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Posted 2015-June-17, 18:18

Of course, raising 3H to 4 is extremely aggressive, a call I would not consider even Vul at IMP's. Sure passing will work sometimes. But look at the hand. Who would ever pass? It's not even a thought. Most of the time when passing does work are like these, when you find doubler with something like Ax of trump. Advancer should always assume doubler has a small singleton when considering passing a normal takeout double.
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Posted 2015-June-17, 18:32

View Postiandayre, on 2015-June-17, 18:18, said:

Of course, raising 3H to 4 is extremely aggressive...

But if he read the explanation, South thinks his partner could have anywhere up to 20 points :blink:
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Posted 2015-June-18, 02:18

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-June-17, 18:32, said:

But if he read the explanation, South thinks his partner could have anywhere up to 20 points :blink:

oh wow, that's gotta be the worst explanation I've seen lately.
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Posted 2015-June-19, 14:25

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-June-17, 18:32, said:

But if he read the explanation, South thinks his partner could have anywhere up to 20 points :blink:

If North could have 20 why does South need 17 to bid 4? The point counts are crazy for Gib if u want to enter an auction late. Often coming in shows like 25 pts and you've passed twice with this monster !?
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