[manudude03]

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So, N/S have an established GF, and West still wants to make a t/o double? Also, why did East bid 4D which had already been bid instead of 4H which hadn't. Not that is is much better.

[steve2005]

Gib actually has it's 16 points need to make second X by Gib's system. But how can it be a takeout double, only one unbid suit. If Gib wants to play in ♥ should just bid 4♥ but Gib probably needs 30 pts to make such a crazy bid but takeout double is safe according to Gib.

[johnu]

Robot W was actually a little lucky to find partner with such a suitable hand (if zero points can be a good hand).

[1eyedjack]

Unconvinced.

I think West can be criticised for not passing, but if he is going to act I think that X is better than 4H.

4H unilaterally deprives East of the option of defending 3SX, and for all that he has a 5th Heart it is not the shapeliest hand.

[johnu]

 1eyedjack, on 2015-May-09, 01:43, said:

Unconvinced.

I think West can be criticised for not passing, but if he is going to act I think that X is better than 4H.

4H unilaterally deprives East of the option of defending 3SX, and for all that he has a 5th Heart it is not the shapeliest hand.

Unbelievable.

Maybe double is better than 4♥, but even on the nige1 scale, both should score 0 (assuming minus scores aren't usually allowed).

[1eyedjack]

I agree. I only commented on the relative merits of double and 4H given that someone expressed a preference for 4H between the two (or at least with sufficient extra strength as to justify some action other than passing). Whether either action other than pass justifies a Nige1 score of greater than zero, presumably rounded to a whole number, and its credibility, is of little interest to me. Either way, to opine that a preference for X over 4H is "unbelievable" and then immediately, in the next breath, to acknowledge that "maybe" it is better seems inconsistent.

[johnu]

You misinterpreted. Unbelievable was my description of West stepping back into a live, game forcing auction at the 3+ level with no shape and diamonds stacked behind, and partner is marked with a yarborough or near yarborough. Both double and 4♥ are hopeless bids and debating which one is worse is like debating whether bad breath or body odor is worse.

[cloa513]

 johnu, on 2015-May-11, 16:24, said:

You misinterpreted. Unbelievable was my description of West stepping back into a live, game forcing auction at the 3+ level with no shape and diamonds stacked behind, and partner is marked with a yarborough or near yarborough. Both double and 4♥ are hopeless bids and debating which one is worse is like debating whether bad breath or body odor is worse.

Yes its insane to enter a game force auction with anything less than very extreme shape. And yet GIB will not sacrifice. Play for free- I open 1♦ vulnerable, GIB bids 2NT (unusual)nonvulnerable, GIB partner cues 3♣, GIB responder holding five clubs including the KQJxx and 5422 shape bids 4C. I raise to 4D and partner pulls to game. 2NT held 6 clubs to A, A of diamonds, K of hearts with 5. 5 ♦contract is solid. 6♣ contract is only two down.