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7NT off two aces and a king.....

#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2015-April-11, 14:51



If 3 promised 17- HCP why am I suddenly promising 20 points with 3? And much more importantly why does he ask for aces with 0 keycards and then just assume I have them all? Everyone knows that first you need to bid 5 to give partner a chance to pass and to show his brilliant deductive abilities and bid on with all five.
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Posted 2015-April-11, 14:53

PS I know that partner was a passed hand but the board was lost the moment partner decided to bid 5NT.
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Posted 2015-April-11, 19:15

I think this should be a bug.
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Posted 2015-April-11, 21:22

The 3 description is cut off... it doesn't say "17- HCP"; it says "17-20 total points", without mentioning HCP. Then, 3 shows a max.
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Posted 2015-April-12, 00:23

Ah OK in that case it's a bad system. You should be able to manage a range of 17-20 with the 3 bid, not just a maximum.

Just as an aside, I also don't think 3 should show 4 hearts per se nor even 5 spades. Partner might have something like

Kxxx
AQx
xxx
xxx

in which case you want to show a heart stop asking partner what he thinks about diamonds. Most know that 3 denies 4 hearts (as a minimum reverse to 2 is not stronger than a minimum jump rebid so you might as well show your hearts if you have them) so we can afford 3 to be semi-artificial.
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Posted 2015-April-13, 19:47

Yes, 5N is a big blunder apparently Gib is the only computer that can't count up to 4. Is it possible Gib thought you were showing 2 or 5 KC?! Even so it should be 5 and you would go on with 5 KC.

4N in my opinion is the real problem! First off all trump has been agreed as so it should be Keycard not straight Blackwood. Secondly why is Gib going for a slam? It's a minimum, sure it has an extra but the quality is nothing to get excited about. Thirdly, even if it did have a passed hand interested in slam it should cuebid and let the strong hand take control (captaincy).
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Posted 2015-April-13, 21:25

View Poststeve2005, on 2015-April-13, 19:47, said:

4N in my opinion is the real problem! First off all trump has been agreed as so it should be Keycard not straight Blackwood.


It is keycard for , the description always says blackwood though. The (S) signifies that it is agreeing spades.
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Posted 2015-April-13, 22:31

View Postgwnn, on 2015-April-11, 14:53, said:

PS I know that partner was a passed hand but the board was lost the moment partner decided to bid 5NT.

And even if it had both aces and K , there is no way with decent defence to make 7NT- its 0HCP otherwise and most likely 5 spades.
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Posted 2015-April-14, 00:28

View Postcloa513, on 2015-April-13, 22:31, said:

And even if it had both aces and K , there is no way with decent defence to make 7NT- its 0HCP otherwise and most likely 5 spades.

he promised the Q also. I know it's an impossible hand. I knew it the moment I bid 7NT. GIB would have taken me to grand slam anyways. but yes let's talk about my bidding. it's the perfect place to do it.
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Posted 2015-April-14, 11:40

View Postmanudude03, on 2015-April-13, 21:25, said:

It is keycard for , the description always says blackwood though. The (S) signifies that it is agreeing spades.

Ok, I didn't know that. Then it took opener for 5 KC.

A while back there was a fix where if bidder showed 1/4 or 0/3 and Gib not sure was suppose to sign-off in 5 then partner bids slam with 3/4. I guess this wasn't implemented for 2/5 responses.

But I stand by my previous post that Gib had no business bidding 4N, especially with 0 KC.




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Posted 2015-April-14, 14:16

View Postgwnn, on 2015-April-14, 00:28, said:

he promised the Q also. I know it's an impossible hand. I knew it the moment I bid 7NT. GIB would have taken me to grand slam anyways. but yes let's talk about my bidding. it's the perfect place to do it.

There is nothing wrong with your bidding. 1C, 3C, and 3C are all straight-forward, obvious choices. You are completely correct that showing the 3 card S fit should not require a maximum for your previous bids. 4NT by the bot is simply an insanely aggressive action
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Posted 2015-April-20, 15:07

Thanks for reporting.

We found a bug in this loser(s) computing function, so next version will carry fix for this ( v34 ).

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