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8-card Club hand evaluation

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2015-February-08, 04:14

IMPs; teams

Do you agree with the bidding of this hand? :
- 2♣:
2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF;
A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.
5♣ would be to play

3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.
4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal values
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Posted 2015-February-08, 06:24

Yes.
The "4♥ is a transfer to 4♠" award goes to Jinksy - PhilKing
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Posted 2015-February-08, 12:43

The auction is ok, except if 5C instead of 4C showes min value,
why dont you bid this?

You have min. values for a game force.
If partner needs 2KC+Q for the slam, he can assume those.

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Posted 2015-February-09, 02:56

Thank you for the replies.
I added partners hand in the diagram below

View Postkgr, on 2015-February-08, 04:14, said:

IMPs; teams

Do you agree with the bidding of this hand? :
- 2♣:
2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF;
A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.
5♣ would be to play

3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.
4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal values

It is clear for North to continue to six with the singleton Club?
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Posted 2015-February-09, 03:58

100% agree up to 4c

at this point your options are 5c or 6c.

no blame after this point
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Posted 2015-February-09, 04:11

View Postkgr, on 2015-February-09, 02:56, said:

I added partners hand in the diagram below

Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful.

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It is clear for North to continue to six with the singleton Club?

The singleton was an ace and as I understand 3♣ in context shows a powerful suit interested in a club slam.
If South required genuine club support he would have rebid 2NT (or perhaps 3♦) not 3♣ at least the way I play 2/1.
Over 3♦ South denied either values in diamonds by refusing to bid 3NT or he must have a huge hand.
He also denied interest in the majors. Where are South values to force to game?
Does North really expect two losers in clubs?

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Posted 2015-February-09, 06:31

After showing clubs and gf hand via 3♣, I would just bid 5♣ over 3♦.

There are too many things to learn by asking to opener, and there are too many things that can go wrong during this process. It is better to try to give an idea of my hand to pd imho.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:12

View Postrhm, on 2015-February-09, 04:11, said:

Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful.

Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-)

Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need?
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:16

of course north has to bid slam. south has overbid if anything.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:23

View PostFree, on 2015-February-09, 11:12, said:

Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-)

Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need?

4♠ showed extras
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:41

View Postrhm, on 2015-February-09, 04:11, said:

Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful.

North shows 2 without the club queen. Over to you.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:43

View Postkgr, on 2015-February-09, 11:23, said:

4♠ showed extras

Why?
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:43

View Postkgr, on 2015-February-09, 11:23, said:

4♠ showed extras

Why?
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Posted 2015-February-09, 13:19

View PostFree, on 2015-February-09, 11:43, said:

Why?

Ok, maybe not. sorry.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 14:42

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-February-09, 11:41, said:

North shows 2 without the club queen. Over to you.

5♣
Frankly that looks easy to me.
It might go down on a diamond lead or it could possibly make an overtrick, but we can not stop below game anyway.
What I know is that opposite 3 aces I want to be in slam and otherwise, since I am in a game forcing situation, I do not want to play anything but game in clubs.

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Posted 2015-March-29, 10:07

View PostFree, on 2015-February-09, 11:12, said:

Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-)

Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need?

Probably of 8th club of S (that doesn't know p has K of heart).
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Posted 2015-March-30, 07:13

N was hoping you would guess he had a club even? He continued bidding 4S for what reason and should shoot 6C.
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Posted 2015-March-30, 07:23

However i think there is a way to escape off of this situation: before 5♣ bidding, having partner show two Aces by cue bid, doesn't cost anything to bid 4NT because now partner with 0 Ace bids 5♣ (for pass) otherwise you gets to slam ,having the rest of information (=partner has shown only 2 Aces over 3) in this (indirect) way.
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Posted 2015-April-09, 03:57

Oh dear, I disagree quite a lot with some of the posts in this thread.
Yes, I agree that minorwood is an improvement over awful slam bidding. But it's not nearly as good as good slam bidding! I just don't agree that you should give up on finding slam opposite a hand with two keycards and extras.
Meanwhile, if you play all cues as mandatory over 4C, then you might as well play minorwood - you aren't going to find out if partner has extras anyway.

I am not sure I like jumping to 5C either - at least, we will never get to slam off two diamond tricks by bidding 4C. Switch the pointed suits, and you could talk me into it.
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Posted 2015-April-09, 11:32

View Postkgr, on 2015-February-08, 04:14, said:


IMPs; teams
Do you agree with the bidding of this hand? :
2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF;
A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.
5♣ would be to play
3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.
4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal values
I like the auction until 5♣ but now, I agree with Wank that North should try one for the road.
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