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♠K104
♥1073
♦K10542
♣94

Both Vul, IMP scoring

With opps silent, auction is:

1♣-1♦-2N-?

vanilla 2/1 system

And if anyone could run a simulation on how often passing 2N is right, versus bidding 3D/3N, it would be appreciated.

Thanks

[TylerE]

I need an excuse to pass 2N here. Looks like I've got a pretty decent 5 card suit and all honors working. It's vul at imps. Close to WTP hand for me. Blast 3N, and I expect it to make at least enough of the time to come out ahead of time.

It also helps that I expect most other decent players to just bid it too, so there is a protective element - if 3N is just down I expect it to be a push a lot of the time, and if it's not then I just write down the -6 and move on.

Of course, this is assuming partner doesn't shade the 2N response down.

[chasetb]

Generally, with 0-6 (or a bad 7) HCP, you are supposed to pass. However, this should clearly bid 3NT for two reasons:
1.) You have an ok 5-card suit (2.) You have two controls (above average), so there's a good chance that your ♦ suit can be set up and provide the extra trick(s) needed.

[billw55]

Three tens! 3NT.

[gszes]

3NT
The 2K and the T's not enough but the 5 card suit gives the hand extra possibilities:)

[NickRW]

I'm not doing a sim, but I'd be surprised if game was less than 50/50, which is more than enough at these colours/scoring.

Edit. Add a queen, but take away all the intermediates and make it a 4333 shape. Most people would think the question barely merited a post in the beginner forum - but I'd bet the sim results would scarcely be any better.

[mikeh]

I would be amazed if any good player passed.

Btw, I don't understand the notion of bidding 3♦. In standard methods that is forcing, but wtf are we trying to accomplish? Are we heading for slam? No. Do we want to suggest 5♦, an 11 trick game on at best a 5-3 fit and 25 hcp? No.

Suggesting 3♦ as a possibility is silly.

I am going to refrain from saying anything about the forum selection, but I am willing to bet that if you could find 10 real life experts, and didn't give it as a problem, just managed to deal the hand, all 10 would bid 3N. There is a human tendency to sometimes make different choices when presented with a problem than if it just happened to come up. After all, one will reason, there must be a catch somewhere.

[johnu]

OK, I saw this as a problem because I thought the auction started 1♣ and a 1♦ overcall. Is it too much to ask to have each round of bidding on a separate line, or better, use the hand editor?

That being said, I would always pass 2NT if I overheard the next table discussing how there was no way to make 3NT on this board.

[PhantomSac]

johnu, on 2015-February-04, 16:24, said:

OK, I saw this as a problem because I thought the auction started 1♣ and a 1♦ overcall. Is it too much to ask to have each round of bidding on a separate line, or better, use the hand editor?

Yeah it was really unclear.

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With opps silent, auction is:

[sfi]

johnu, on 2015-February-04, 16:24, said:

That being said, I would always pass 2NT if I overheard the next table discussing how there was no way to make 3NT on this board.

Given the typical quality of post-mortems, I would take that as a challenge and bid 3NT anyway.

[Stephen Tu]

Vul at IMPs, and already being in 2nt, generally you have to bid game on anything with a prayer. The vul imp odds for making vs. down one plus the fact that 2nt may already be down so 3nt is only down one more for 3 imps, you have to bid on anything close. And this isn't even close for MP. I ran a quick sim and it was > 75% making 3nt double dummy. You need to turn both Ks into Qs before passing is indicated.

[johnu]

PhantomSac, on 2015-February-04, 17:22, said:

Yeah it was really unclear.

True about the opponents silent comment, but looking at the single line of bidding gives contradictory information. Of course, we all know that OP's never make a mistake in facts, the bidding or the number of cards

[bid_em_up]

mikeh, on 2015-February-04, 10:20, said:

I would be amazed if any good player passed.

Btw, I don't understand the notion of bidding 3♦. In standard methods that is forcing, but wtf are we trying to accomplish? Are we heading for slam? No. Do we want to suggest 5♦, an 11 trick game on at best a 5-3 fit and 25 hcp? No.

Suggesting 3♦ as a possibility is silly.

I am going to refrain from saying anything about the forum selection, but I am willing to bet that if you could find 10 real life experts, and didn't give it as a problem, just managed to deal the hand, all 10 would bid 3N. There is a human tendency to sometimes make different choices when presented with a problem than if it just happened to come up. After all, one will reason, there must be a catch somewhere.

Well, Mike, unfortunately, I was playing with someone who I consider(ed) to be an expert player. After I bid 3N, he said "This hand should pass". I responded, "This hand is 3N 100%'. To which he replied, "You are relatively inexperienced (compared to me) and if you want to argue with me, i will just mark you as another idiot and not waste my time."

So.... I'm just making sure that this hand actually is, 3N, 100%. And that he is the real idiot. So far, so good.

(I didn't suggest 3D for any reason other than I couldn't think of what the heck else he would have me do.)

This post has been edited by diana_eva: 2015-February-06, 02:44

[billw55]

bid_em_up, on 2015-February-04, 19:40, said:

Well, Mike, unfortunately, I was playing with someone who I consider(ed) to be an expert player. After I bid 3N, he said "This hand should pass". I responded, "This hand is 3N 100%'. To which he replied, "You are relatively inexperienced (compared to me) and if you want to argue with me, i will just mark you as another idiot and not waste my time."

So, he saw dummy, looked at his doubleton diamond, and resulted the hand. What else is new?

[BillPatch]

bid_em_up, on 2015-February-04, 19:40, said:

Well, Mike, unfortunately, I was playing with someone who I consider(ed) to be an expert player. I'm not naming any names, but the board can be found. After I bid 3N, he said "This hand should pass". I responded, "This hand is 3N 100%'. To which he replied, "You are relatively inexperienced (compared to me) and if you want to argue with me, i will just mark you as another idiot and not waste my time."

So.... I'm just making sure that this hand actually is, 3N, 100%. And that he is the real idiot. So far, so good.

(I didn't suggest 3D for any reason other than I couldn't think of what the heck else he would have me do.)

I don't know which is sillier: Advertising on a public forum for the bridge world to look up your games with experienced partners made a real blooper in a post mortem, or suggesting that an advanced bridge player would suggest a minor contract with 3♦. A good player might fear playing with you more than with Mrs. Bennett after the Bennett murder. Ridicule is more to be feared than death.

[Fluffy]

It had been long since the last unanymous poll

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BillPatch, on 2015-February-05, 19:39, said:

I don't know which is sillier: Advertising on a public forum for the bridge world to look up your games with experienced partners made a real blooper in a post mortem, or suggesting that an advanced bridge player would suggest a minor contract with 3♦. A good player might fear playing with you more than with Mrs. Bennett after the Bennett murder. Ridicule is more to be feared than death.

Ho. Hum.