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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2015-February-01, 06:51

I see a lot of intermediates making a mistake on this type of hands, so I created this problem hoping you will learn to avoid it.

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Posted 2015-February-01, 07:30

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Posted 2015-February-01, 07:58

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-February-01, 07:30, said:

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I did the problem before your post, but how did it not occur to you that by making this post you are totally ruining the problem for others? It's inconsiderate. Use spoiler tags if you really feel the need to comment.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 08:59

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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:00

View Postgszes, on 2015-February-01, 08:59, said:

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The later ducks are not needed.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:07

View Postbroze, on 2015-February-01, 07:58, said:

did it not occur to you that by making this post you are totally ruining the problem for others? It's inconsiderate.




I find your lack of souplesse disturbing.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:53

I did see the spoiler before I played the hand, and, yes, it did spoil it. I would appreciate the spoiler being removed.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 12:01

View PostArtK78, on 2015-February-01, 10:00, said:

The later ducks are not needed.


correct on this layout but it does help illustrate the concept:)))))
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Posted 2015-February-01, 13:19

View PostStevenG, on 2015-February-01, 10:53, said:

I did see the spoiler before I played the hand, and, yes, it did spoil it. I would appreciate the spoiler being removed.


Well.. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I posted it because it seemed obvious to intermediate/advanced level.

But ok I hid it.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 15:07

I think this same sort of thing, but slightly less obvious, is very easy for people to miss. Like if we had one fewer trumps (or one lower spot), but partner has stiff T or something.
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Posted 2015-February-02, 05:14

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-February-01, 13:19, said:

Well.. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I posted it because it seemed obvious to intermediate/advanced level.

But ok I hid it.


IMO, this should be obvious enough for adv+ (especially in a problem setting as opposed to at the table). But intermediate... Not so sure. People who are intermediate and progressing will probably get it, but intermediate covers really a very large range.
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Posted 2015-February-02, 05:19

View PostNickRW, on 2015-February-02, 05:14, said:

IMO, this should be obvious enough for adv+ (especially in a problem setting as opposed to at the table). But intermediate... Not so sure. People who are intermediate and progressing will probably get it, but intermediate covers really a very large range.


So far there are 101 who got it right, and 46 who didn't, although there are always many players who do not finnish the board when they do it wrong. (Most hands have a lot less scores for this reason)
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Posted 2015-February-02, 22:10

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Posted 2015-February-02, 23:27

Playing UDCA, don't you lead low from a doubleton?
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Posted 2015-February-02, 23:30

Whether you bid 1N or not depends on your partnership overcalling style.

Given that my 1 overcall could be on something like xx KQxxx xxx Kxx bidding 1N is just sticking your neck out as well as helping opponents play the hand.

If your partner's overcalls are closer to full opening strength, then a 1N bid makes more sense.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 00:35

View PostAntrax, on 2015-February-02, 23:27, said:

Playing UDCA, don't you lead low from a doubleton?


no


leading is not the same, confusing.

common very common to play udca and lead high from two.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 11:16

View PostMbodell, on 2015-February-01, 15:07, said:

I think this same sort of thing, but slightly less obvious, is very easy for people to miss. Like if we had one fewer trumps (or one lower spot), but partner has stiff T or something.

Not sure if this is less obvious, but it is another layout where over-ruffing costs a trick. Spades were trump. North led a heart and East (declarer) ruffed with the six. South, a well-known "student" of the game over-ruffed!

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Posted 2015-February-03, 11:52

View Postwynsten, on 2015-February-03, 11:16, said:

Not sure if this is less obvious, but it is another layout where over-ruffing costs a trick. Spades were trump. North led a heart and East (declarer) ruffed with the six. South, a well-known "student" of the game over-ruffed!


The well-known "student" of the game probably made a common mistake...he was distracted wondering how the heck it ever got to this position with exactly those spots around the table, and dummy still having a trump. :rolleyes:
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