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Posted 2015-January-31, 09:31



Scoring is MP, w/w. Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well. Just a bit of a sanity check.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 09:45

Pass. We're unlikely to miss much if P can't bid again, esp in the protective seat.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 09:47

interesting problem

Kinda think that 3H should show this kind of hand - a weak no trump with 4 hearts that wants to compete at MP
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Posted 2015-January-31, 10:24

Letting them play in 2♠ on an 8 card fit is bad policy at mp's and I'm the only one that knows we have a fit. 3♥ doesn't promise extras, double, 3♠ or 4♥ does.

You can have awkward in-between values hands but imo, since you can get 1/2 of those right this handles the highest frequency and as long as partner is on the same page we often defend 3♠ instead of 2 and can set up our defense as soon as we see dummy.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 10:26

Easy 3♥. Defending 2 of a major at matchpoints stinks anyway. Gotta at least try.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 10:43

Good-bad 2NT + 3♥ follow up. Oh wait...
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:09

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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:23

Probably best to play lebensohl.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:32

Unless you play some fancy stuff like the ones mentioned before me I think you better bid 3♥. Being white the chances of getting doubled are not that high and if we don't act now partner might pass with 8-9 hcp's and a hand where we could compete. Granted, a pass might fetch another double from partner or 3♦ but a pass is also likely. Playing imp's it could be a little less obvious to compete but at this vulnerability I'd also take my chances.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2015-January-31, 12:41

it would be an obvious 3h bid at any form of scoring. that it's white at matchpoints makes any other bid terrible.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 12:47

View Postbroze, on 2015-January-31, 09:31, said:



Scoring is MP, w/w. Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well. Just a bit of a sanity check.


3♥ at any scoring and any colors. How else is partner ever to know we have a fit? Defending 2♠ when both opps have bid spades is a serious loser. Partner will know that and strive to protect, but will never dream you have four hearts with two honors and a normal opener.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 12:51

2NT=competing in an unspecified suit <15pts
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Posted 2015-January-31, 13:21

View Postbroze, on 2015-January-31, 09:31, said:


Scoring is MP, w/w.
Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well.
Just a bit of a sanity check.
IMO 3♥ = 10. Pass = 7.



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Posted 2015-January-31, 15:32

If you're ever going to play good/bad 2N play it here

Competing is obvious; bidding 3♥ isn't. Maybe others can judge how 3♥ shows the actual hand or a K + a stiff better.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 17:25

View PostPhil, on 2015-January-31, 15:32, said:

Maybe others can judge how 3♥ shows the actual hand or a K + a stiff better.


you have to bump everything up a level. 3h bids are now 4h bids. 4h bids are now cues. you might go off in 4h sometimes, but you've given lho a problem too and, obviously, you have less space now so bidding isn't supposed to be perfect.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 19:57

View Postwank, on 2015-January-31, 17:25, said:

you have to bump everything up a level. 3h bids are now 4h bids. 4h bids are now cues. you might go off in 4h sometimes, but you've given lho a problem too and, obviously, you have less space now so bidding isn't supposed to be perfect.


And I suppose a 4♥ call cues now? I mean if you want to get all tactical and bid over the level that's ok but I like my plus scores at mps.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 20:10

Agree that I would bid 2NT Good/Bad here. Without that agreement I would pass for the reasons mentioned by Phil.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 06:40

in 1-2 seat I would not have opened to begin with and then be looking to balance or defend with no risk of getting too high
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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:24

View Postfourdad, on 2015-February-01, 06:40, said:

in 1-2 seat I would not have opened to begin with and then be looking to balance or defend with no risk of getting too high


Yeah I guess we're old-fashioned. I'd pass the opening too. If I did open, I'd pass the 2 Spades with my weak hand. If my partner has game-going points, I'd expect him to bid again, and I'd then support the Hearts.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:46

Phil, I think you will also find this pretty funny.
I was going to post something like "you can allow yourself to get pushed one level higher in competition than you would bid constructively". Then I started getting this feeling of deja-vu, and...
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