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Spades and a fit

Poll: Spades and a fit (48 member(s) have cast votes)

You bid...

  1. 2S (21 votes [43.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  2. 3C (7 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

  3. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3S (fit-showing) (19 votes [39.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.58%

  5. 3N (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. other (1 votes [2.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

  8. double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2015-January-31, 10:59

View Postgnasher, on 2015-January-31, 10:44, said:

I wanted to bid 2NT showing a good raise, but you didn't offer me that option.


You can bid 2NT anyway. Most of the time there will be some residual support for overcaller's suit.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:17

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-30, 15:49, said:

No, because advancer is a passed hand.

If he were not, it would depend on your agreements. Some play that an advance in a new suit is NF is RHO acted, others play that any 2/2 change of suit is forcing, etc...

In fact, being a passed hand, there's a good case for 2 showing spades AND clubs (a fit-non-jump).


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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:18

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-31, 10:59, said:

You can bid 2NT anyway. Most of the time there will be some residual support for overcaller's suit.

I can bid anything that's legal, but that doesn't make it a sensible action. I want to show a good hand for clubs, not a balanced hand with a heart stop.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:19

View PostPhil, on 2015-January-30, 16:48, said:

1. Keithhus: I'm pretty sure that any call by a passed hand wouldn't be forcing.

2. MikeH: while partner can likely figure out our hand in a 3/3 sequence it's quite possible that two things can happen that are negative.

A. They pass out 3. This might be right but it could mean we missed our spade fit.

B. They bid 4. Jeez now what? We have to take a unilateral position. Pass or 4 could both be right.

While 3 might get us a little high on balance it will help partner make the proper bid/double/pass decision.


Phil, thank you for your response.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:29

Certainly there is a downside of 3 in that if partner has to make the decision over 4, they may well get it wrong -- our ODR is much lower than expected, and our suit is Axxxx. But I think when we're making a fit jump into a major, partner should be aware of the fact that we may just be trying to get both suits in. And maybe with good red suits, partner will indeed try 3n.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 12:33

View Postgnasher, on 2015-January-31, 11:18, said:

I can bid anything that's legal, but that doesn't make it a sensible action. I want to show a good hand for clubs, not a balanced hand with a heart stop.


Well, according to Robson/Segal

1x 2m pass 2NT

tends to show a decent degree of fit for m. That's what I meant. Naturally, the less the fit, the stronger the hand.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 03:56

So my instincts about 3 are just as lied out in Mike's post - how does it help partner judge if we bid the same way with Axxxx and KQJxx, really hate it with such an empty suit, etc.

But the more I think about it, the more I think Victor has it right: fit jumps into a major should just be an attempt to find a fit in the major.

At the table I bid 3, thinking that might allow us to get into 3N when it's right, to the right level in clubs, and still get to a 5-4 spade fit. Wasn't a success when partner thought bidding 3S would be an overbid with his hand, and therefore bid 4C. He held KJxx xx QT AQJxx.

One small comment: opponents were playing weak NT and four-card majors. That makes it quite unlikely that they have only an 8-card heart fit: our values tell us opener is unlikely to have a balanced hand, but responder doesn't know that and would routinely bid 2H not 3H on a 4-card suit.
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Posted 2015-February-04, 12:37

View Postcherdano, on 2015-February-04, 03:56, said:

He held KJxx xx QT AQJxx.


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