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Poll: Reevaluate this (20 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. 3D (5 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. 3H (4 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3NT (11 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  5. 4C (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2015-January-23, 05:14

MP, national sim.

V vs NV

Q103
AQJ
AJ5
J943

You pard
1NT 2
2 3
??

And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4 ye olde "great hand in context."
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Posted 2015-January-23, 05:34

3NT for me. Despite 4 card support.

4333 is bad, 15 HCP is bad, AQJ is bad, 3 Jacks are bad.

Ofcourse if partner has a stiff spade its probably better to play 5/6s. Still they havent lead a spade yet, and the stopper may be good enough for +630 anyway.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 05:47

If 3NT is specifically a misfit then the only systemic call is 3. If this is wrong then the system needs to be improved.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 07:46

If partner has singleton diamond I wanna play 6 rather than 3NT. So I would try 3. If partner has singleton spade we will rather play 5 also.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 08:21

I don't get your thread title. You outline a system and your rebid under that system is clear as Zel says. So what is there to re-value?

I kinda agree with Fluffy - but you need to discuss changing the system rather than do it on the fly.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 11:25

Well, maybe "misfit" is too strong. Make that "misfit or bad hand in context". I changed that.
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Posted 2015-January-28, 05:52

Thx all. Hands:
Q103
AQJ
AJ5
J943

A
K942
KQ8
A10875

1NT 2
2 3
??

Not sure what is best. 4 will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x?
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Posted 2015-January-28, 06:14

I don't know what you're complaining about. Unless I'm not thinking straight this morning I've been in worse slams than 6 and 3NT is not cast iron on a low spade lead (which is hardly going to be unlikely).

Edit... Um, so you're thinking 4C is the bid with your hand. I thought, per your system this was a 3D call. Which I admit puts off the choice somewhat, but at least you're going to commit to slam, if you do, with your eyes more open.
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Posted 2015-January-28, 06:28

I think partner should make another move on over a 3nt call. 16 hcp, guaranteed fit in a minor, stiff spade A, and 6 controls, nearly everything working. Of course, might stay out of slam anyways with 1 KC + Q missing. 5 making 6, unlucky. I guess if you play 4 as key card for clubs you might get a 4nt response and play it there (then again a spade lead and unlucky layout might well hold NT to only 9 tricks).
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Posted 2015-January-30, 18:51

I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3 meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other?
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Posted 2015-January-30, 21:11

I'm bidding 3 NT. If partner persists to 4 , I'll raise to 5 .
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Posted 2015-January-31, 02:30

I don't think that 3NT is correct, then surely if partner bids 4C then 4D is the least I can do. 5C doesn't help him/her at all.

FWIW if I had the 1435 hand and partner bid 3nt I'd pass.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 03:24

Assuming 15-17 HCP for 1NT, I bid 3NT. Any 4333 shape (even with 4-card support) is bad, only 4 controls is bad (the average expected controls for 15 HCP is 5.01, and obviously higher for 16 and 17 HCP), you are quacky with only a J, AND we have every side suit cleanly stopped. Considering there are many 12 HCP distributional hands where I would make a slam try over 1NT openeing, this is a clear min in context.

However, partner should make another slam try WITH 16 WORKING HCP AND 6 CONTROLS!
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Posted 2015-January-31, 03:31

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-28, 05:52, said:

A
K942
KQ8
A10875

Not sure what is best. 4 will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x?

Chase said that with this hand anything you do now should work. I disagree, if you bid 3NT you might end up in 6NT, and passing 3NT wouldn't be out of the picture if it wasn't for the nice KQx that guarantee a good minor fit as partner must have 5 diamonds or 3 clubs (maybe both).

I think bidding 3 is still pretty clear, and any form of raise will put declarer into slam directly.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 04:14

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-28, 05:52, said:

Thx all. Hands:
Q 10 3 A Q J A J 5 J 9 4 3
A K 9 4 2 K Q 8 A 10 8 7 5
1NT 2
2 3
??

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-23, 05:14, said:

And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4 ye olde "great hand in context."
IMO 3 = 10. 3 = 9. 3N = 8. 4 = 7. 3 = 5. Fluffy persuades us that 3 is best, in an attempt to stay out of 3N when responder has a pointy singleton. 4 is an overbid with a flat minimum, in spite of 4-card trump support and 2 aces. As chasteb says, whatever you bid, partner has an enormous hand and is worth at least one more effort.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 05:57

View PostJinksy, on 2015-January-30, 18:51, said:

I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3 meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other?


It's standard: just a 4-5 and a game force. A priori there are no slam overtones from it (that comes later on, if relevant).

Thx all again. I found this discussion very nice.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 07:16

What standard? Every bridge player I can think of either hasn't discussed the sequence in recent memory or has invented their own homebrew continuations to 1N.

Anyway, voting for 3N now.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 07:50

well... all textbooks I know of have defined something like "new suit after stayman = nat 5 cards GF".
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Posted 2015-January-31, 10:22

3C for me would have a strong interest in playing clubs, although not necessarily 6 of them.
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Posted 2015-January-31, 11:41

We play it (over weak NT) as a sign-off, on the grounds that it lets you seek marginal major games more safely.
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