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How Many Spades

Poll: How Many Spades (20 member(s) have cast votes)

How Many Spades

  1. Pass (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  2. 2 Spades (12 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  3. 3 Spades (2 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. 4 Spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Something else (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

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Posted 2015-January-21, 17:37



system is weak and 4

if you object to X for any reason then pls say why

now how many spades?

It's MP btw

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Posted 2015-January-21, 18:23

2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish.
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Posted 2015-January-21, 18:25

View Postmike777, on 2015-January-21, 18:23, said:

2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish.


my partner isn't on the forum
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Posted 2015-January-21, 18:28

View Posteagles123, on 2015-January-21, 18:25, said:

my partner isn't on the forum


I assumed you opened, not your partner. :)
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Posted 2015-January-21, 19:05

What does 1 show in "weak and 4"?
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Posted 2015-January-21, 19:13

Eagles, if 1 was forcing (for example Cyber plays it that way) then I think you have to bid 3. If 1 shows a failure to bid forcing 2, then 2 is reasonable at MP imo.
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Posted 2015-January-21, 21:27

View Posteagles123, on 2015-January-21, 17:37, said:



system is weak and 4
if you object to X for any reason then pls say why
now how many spades?
It's MP btw
IMO, It depends whether the double promises 4+ s; or exactly 4 s; or just a hand that is a bit stuck.
  • Assuming that the double shows 4 s, then you would expect opener to bid at least 2 if he had 4+ s too. Hence, 1 by opener would normally show only 3s. Thus, wild raises seem inappropriate.
  • If the double showed 4+ s then 2 = 10, 1N = 9, Pass = 8.
  • If the double showed 4 s but denied 5 then 2 = 10, 2 = 9, Pass = 8.
  • If the double was nebulous (so opener's 1 presumably showed 4+ ) then a limit raise to 3 = 10 seems appropriate.

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Posted 2015-January-22, 06:29

I don't think North is likely to hold only three spades. Playing 4-card majors / weak NT then North will usually be unbalanced for this sequence (I suppose a strong no trump hand without a heart stop is possible).

In this case I would expect North to be at least 5-4 in diamonds/spades and you know that you have at least an eight-card spade fit.

I think that it is close between 2S and 3S - but suspect that I would tend to bid three.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 07:59

Really? I thought the most common usage of 1 here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2 rebid!
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Posted 2015-January-22, 11:05

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-January-22, 07:59, said:

Really? I thought the most common usage of 1 here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2 rebid!


In forum bridge perhaps you are right. It is not common at all irl bridge especially among I/A level players. Not even as common as it should be among adv+ players.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 14:18

To me, without discussion, 2H looks like values and confirming a fit, so why not bid that? As well as suggesting game without forcing to the three level, it makes the opps less likely to compete when they have a decent sac on.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 15:34

I think 1 is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades.

With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2 regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 18:41

View PostPhilKing, on 2015-January-22, 15:34, said:

I think 1 is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades.

With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2 regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2.


Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play).
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Posted 2015-January-22, 22:18

LOL @ me

For some reason i am seeing the auction as

1m--1
1

Now everything everyone else said, started to make sense to me. Even though I saw it correct when replying to Zel.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 03:00

2 seems fair. You got a demi-invite :)
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Posted 2015-January-23, 03:31

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-January-22, 18:41, said:

Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play).


TBH I just like voting "other" as often as possible.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 05:49

well I bid 2s partner passed with

T432
AK7
QJ754
A

interestingly only 2 out of 6 tables got to game on this hand

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Posted 2015-January-23, 06:03

Well, I wouldn't pass 2 on that. I'd try 3.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 06:13

View Postwhereagles, on 2015-January-23, 06:03, said:

Well, I wouldn't pass 2 on that. I'd try 3.

Fairly confident you would not have rebid 1 in the first place.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 11:28

Possibly, yes. But having done so, I'd carry on now.
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