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#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2015-January-20, 06:54



Many thanks,

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Posted 2015-January-20, 07:24

3. Hand is worth it, and also discourages balancing by ops.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 07:57

I can see all of pass, 2 and 3 winning, although I lean more towards partscore.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 08:17

View Posteagles123, on 2015-January-20, 06:54, said:

IMO 2N = 10, 2 = 9, Pass = 8, 3 = 7. Judging by opponents' silence, partner probably has at least 3 s.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 08:38

Pass it out. Too many soft values, plus pard has 6 cards there.

As mikeh would say "the boring bid is often the right one".

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Posted 2015-January-20, 08:53

View Postnige1, on 2015-January-20, 08:17, said:

Judging by opponents' silence, partner probably has at least 3 s.

He can't have more than three!
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Posted 2015-January-20, 09:28

At IMPs it would be an easy pass. At MPs I am going to pass anyway but cry if 2 unavoidably makes the same number of tricks. The play on these types of hands is often the most interesting part.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 09:41

Pass. I thought I'd bid 2H at MP but talked myself out of it and I pass there too. We will usually have an extra loser in hearts even when we have a fit (barring ugly diamonds like Jxxxxx or Kxxxxx). 140 would be sweet but that's hard to believe unless partner has AKx or something.

The above mind you assumes that partner absolutely guarantees 6 diamonds. If not, then we are a bit stuck but I guess I'd just bid 2H at MP and pass shaking my head at IMP.

I don't hate 3D that much but my hand doesn't look like it. I suspect many of the hands where we make game are 1NT openers in disguise (6322 scattered values 15-17).
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Posted 2015-January-20, 10:22

View Postgwnn, on 2015-January-20, 09:41, said:

I don't hate 3D that much but my hand doesn't look like it. I suspect many of the hands where we make game are 1NT openers in disguise (6322 scattered values 15-17).

With 3, I am not seeking game so much as denying LHO a cheap balance. I know they have 8 spades.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 10:24

3d. game might be on. they have a spade fit. i'll be shocked if 3d goes off. what's not to like?
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Posted 2015-January-20, 11:26

Depends what you play 3D as. Some play it as constructive and others as a proper invite. I don't have much of a preference either way but I would definitely assume it's an invite undiscussed. I don't think we usually make game if partner accepts.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 11:46

Partner did not rebid 1NT or open 1NT so I put him with 3163 distribution. So LTT = 16. This means that if 2 makes then 3 is one off. Since it looks like we have no wasted values in hearts unless partner's singleton is a picture, then more likely 2 wont make and 3 will. If I now raise to 3, partner will believe that I have 3 card support and may be tempted to bid 5 on this basis. So I pass. If the opps balance into 2, I will bid 3 expecting to make. If opps compete to 3 then one of us should double for penalties.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 13:51

View Posteagles123, on 2015-January-20, 06:54, said:



Many thanks,

Eagles

Pass.
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Posted 2015-January-22, 14:17

2h

I do not want to invite game with this dreckful 10 count BUT I do not want
to arbitrarily shut out game since I have 10. If our side has a game it is either
3n or 4h --very unlikely 5d and really tough to bid. Sitting in a minor is usually
a very poor mp spot. Bidding 2h might indeed make things worse but the downside is
not really all that bad since we are probably in a poor spot to begin with if we pass.

There is no strong reason why p cannot be short in clubs vs hearts or even balanced
and they felt the need to rebid 2d vs 1n. I feel it is way too pessimistic to assume p
is short in hearts given the bidding. If our 2h bid perks up partner to bid 3h we have
an easy accept and rebidding 2h might also cause the opps to misplay that suit if they
successfully compete. We have a natural run out to 3d if it looks like 2h is going to
be x'd. 2h looks like a pretty safe bid with not much downside and a whole ton of upside.

3d is just as invitational as 2n so trying to use that bid as "blocking" is more likely to
land your side in jail rather than be helpful.

2h = 8 pass = 3.5 2n/3d = 2
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Posted 2015-January-22, 14:46

View PostWackojack, on 2015-January-20, 11:46, said:

Partner did not rebid 1NT or open 1NT so I put him with 3163 distribution. So LTT = 16. This means that if 2 makes then 3 is one off. Since it looks like we have no wasted values in hearts unless partner's singleton is a picture, then more likely 2 wont make and 3 will. If I now raise to 3, partner will believe that I have 3 card support and may be tempted to bid 5 on this basis. So I pass. If the opps balance into 2, I will bid 3 expecting to make. If opps compete to 3 then one of us should double for penalties.


Why should partner think a raise shows 3-card support? He has shown 6, you only need two to raise.
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Posted 2015-January-23, 03:25

View Postgszes, on 2015-January-22, 14:17, said:

There is no strong reason why p cannot be short in clubs vs hearts or even balanced
and they felt the need to rebid 2d vs 1n.

In which system is partner bidding 2 with a balanced hand after a 1 response? Or is the modern idea automatically to label 6322 a balanced hand? :blink:
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Posted 2015-January-23, 04:55

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-January-23, 03:25, said:

is the modern idea automatically to label 6322 a balanced hand? :blink:


I don't know, but I have tried that approach on occasion with very disappointing results, especially on 12-14 hands.
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