[Shugart23]

Looking for good techniques people use to find their 4-4 Major fit, playing precision, assuming no interference and weak partner. Assume you have 16+
HCP, a 5 card Minor and a 4 card Major

Bidding goes 1C-1D- and you bid 2D (showing 5+ Diamonds)......We currently play if Responder's second bid names a suit, he is showing 5-7HCP and 5 card suit.........

[phoenix214]

Well, option one is to play that a bid on level one shows a 4 card major suit in the first place(with 4M-5m hands you just bid that). That would allow you to find majors fits easier, and that is what some of the precision pairs are doing. With this you would also find major fits when responder in the weak range as well.
The other option is to swap 2NT and the closest suit places, with this you would be able to ask for the 4 card major or additional features, although i think that this might not work here.

[gordontd]

Shugart23, on 2014-December-14, 08:19, said:

Looking for good techniques people use to find their 4-4 Major fit, playing precision, assuming no interference and weak partner. Assume you have 16+
HCP, a 5 card Minor and a 4 card Major

Bidding goes 1C-1D- and you bid 2D (showing 5+ Diamonds)......We currently play if Responder's second bid names a suit, he is showing 5-7HCP and 5 card suit.........

It can be handy to invert 2NT & 2m+1 in auctions that start 1C-2C, 1C-2D, 1C-1D-2C & 1C-1D-2D. Now in each case the 2m+1 bidder is showing a balanced hand and allowing partner to show a second suit at the two level. If the 2m+1 bid was 2H, then 2NT next shows four hearts.

[Shugart23]

gordontd, on 2014-December-14, 09:31, said:

It can be handy to invert 2NT & 2m+1 in auctions that start 1C-2C, 1C-2D, 1C-1D-2C & 1C-1D-2D. Now in each case the 2m+1 bidder is showing a balanced hand and allowing partner to show a second suit at the two level. If the 2m+1 bid was 2H, then 2NT next shows four hearts.

I'm sorry ; I am not following your notation: 2m+1...can I see an example.......let's say you open 1C with 5 Diamonds,4 Spades,3-1 and 18 HCP and then I respond 1D....let's say I have 6 HCP, 4 Spades and not much else.....How does the bidding proceed ?

[phoenix214]

It would go
1♣-1♦, 2♦-2♥(asking for shape INV), 2♠(4spades)-4♠(game) for example, with a heart fit obviously it would go a bit harder.
1♣-1♦, 2♦-2♥, 2NT(4H) and now you can stop low and find your heart fit.
As as sidenote, you can use this idea also in the 1♣-2♣/2♦ sequences.

[mikestar13]

This article gives some details of Kit Woolsey's favorite method: http://bridgewinners...nder-your-nose/.

Basically, opener's 1 major rebid only promises 4 and is forcing for one round. Responder with 0-4 raises to 2 of the major, bids 1♠ over 1♥ with four spades, or bids 1NT. With 5-7, responder artificially shows degree of support for the major, see the above for details.

Hand down the best method I've tried.

[Shugart23]

mikestar13, on 2014-December-14, 18:33, said:

This article gives some details of Kit Woolsey's favorite method: http://bridgewinners...nder-your-nose/.

Basically, opener's 1 major rebid only promises 4 and is forcing for one round. Responder with 0-4 raises to 2 of the major, bids 1♠ over 1♥ with four spades, or bids 1NT. With 5-7, responder artificially shows degree of support for the major, see the above for details.

Hand down the best method I've tried.

Thanks....a little more on our system of bidding. We have found the 2H and 2S response showing weak and length to partner's 1C opening wasted bids...(when is the last time you used it?), so for us, 1C followed by 2H is positive and shows precisely 4H and an undisclosed 5+ minor . 1C followed by 2S by a passed hand is balanced in the 8-10/11 range and 1C followed by 2NT is positive and shows precisely 4 spades and undisclosed 5 card minor..This means that 1C-2C denies 4 card Major and 1C-2D denies 4 card Major

I like the 1C-1D-1S idea showing , maybe, only 4 Spades...I can't use that with Hearts as we have a whole different meaning for 1C-1D-1H ( basically shows variety of NT ranges or real Heart
suit). SO half my problem might be solved.

I think the relay idea may work to find the Heart fit, if one exists) at a low level.....I will ponder

[foobar]

mikestar13, on 2014-December-14, 18:33, said:

This article gives some details of Kit Woolsey's favorite method: http://bridgewinners...nder-your-nose/.

Basically, opener's 1 major rebid only promises 4 and is forcing for one round. Responder with 0-4 raises to 2 of the major, bids 1♠ over 1♥ with four spades, or bids 1NT. With 5-7, responder artificially shows degree of support for the major, see the above for details.

Hand down the best method I've tried.

This seems very similar to (if not identical) to what Meckwell play. I too agree that in conjunction with 2♥ as Kokish relay, it's definitely of the best methods that caters to a traditional 1♦ response to 1♣.

[rbforster]

I play a non-mainstream method where these distributional two suited hands bid 1♠ artificial after 1♣-1♦, showing at least 5/4 shape in any suit pairs except both minors and minimum strong club values (say 16-bad 19). Partner with a weak hand and his own suit can pass or bid 2♥, can scramble with 2♣ (pass or correct, showing club tolerance by responder), bid 2♦ to ask for partners better major, or 1N to ask for his longest suit (often done with a balanced hand, and then pass).

[all loomis]

1c-1d ?

2c is any 6 card suit, responder calls 2d[unless 9+]

1h is 4 card red suit, with any 5 card suit. responder relays:

now, 2c, 2d, 2s is 5 card suit, with 4 h's, 2h is 5 card suit with 4 c's.

and 1n is 4 d's, with any 5c suit.

1s is 4 card suit, with any 5 card suit.

this depends on using roman 2c and 2d, but if you can cope with that it packs a lot of information into the first two bids.

also, i recommend 1c-1d to show either 0-5, or 9+, make natural response with 6-8.