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What hand might I hold with which I'd want to make a balancing takeout double over 4♦ after failing to make a direct one over 3♦?
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Posted 2014-December-11, 21:04
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Posted 2014-December-11, 21:59
I may well bid that way with QJxx QJxx void Kxxxx, but it is a very rare specimen.
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Posted 2014-December-12, 06:28
Then I guess you don't write GIB's bid explanations 
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Posted 2014-December-12, 14:19
We were told that this was fixed one or two revisions ago.
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Posted 2014-December-12, 16:44
iandayre, on 2014-December-12, 14:19, said:
We were told that this was fixed one or two revisions ago.
This is all I see that's close, but it's not the same situation. Unless we were told that the fix is upcoming in Version 31...
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A new version of GIB is is here! We call this Version 29. Please visit BBO Discussion Forum to discuss the robots. Main Changes:
•Responder's double in balancing seat is now takeout instead of penalty over opponents' 4th seat overcall.
•Responder's double in balancing seat is now takeout instead of penalty over opponents' 4th seat overcall.
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Posted 2014-December-13, 13:17
I clearly remember being told that GIB would no longer try for game opposite balancing doubles by hands that had previously passed.
This isn't quite the same because we are already at game level, but the point is that GIB would recognize that the doubler is limited by having passed.
This isn't quite the same because we are already at game level, but the point is that GIB would recognize that the doubler is limited by having passed.
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Posted 2014-December-13, 13:46
My question is: Why shouldn't this be a penalty double, since I could have made a takeout double last round if I had wanted to?
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Posted 2014-December-14, 12:52
My thought, you didn't know that LHO was going to raise. If you are good enough now to double 4D for penalty, you probably would have bid 3NT or something else the first time.
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Posted 2014-December-14, 13:43
iandayre, on 2014-December-14, 12:52, said:
My thought, you didn't know that LHO was going to raise. If you are good enough now to double 4D for penalty, you probably would have bid 3NT or something else the first time.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
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ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
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2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-December-14, 16:10
1eyedjack, on 2014-December-14, 13:43, said:
Reckoning that you have 5 defensive tricks against a diamond contract is quite a far cry from guessing that you have 9 offensive tricks in NT opposite a passing partner. Sure, there will be some overlap.
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Posted 2014-December-14, 23:42
Bbradley62, on 2014-December-14, 16:10, said:
And you only need 4 defensive tricks to set 4♦.
I had thought of that. I think that you need 5 to double it. You may not be able to count on all of them as certain, and doubling for one off is not going to make you rich,
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-December-15, 19:55
It might win a lot of matchpoints if everyone else is +50 and I'm +100 
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