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How to handle strong minor 1-suiter Is 2/1 ready for this?

Poll: What is your opening (49 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your opening?

  1. 1 clubs (32 votes [65.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 65.31%

  2. 2 clubs (11 votes [22.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.45%

  3. 2 NT (6 votes [12.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.24%

  4. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

What is your rebid after 1C - 1H

  1. 3 clubs (7 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. 2 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 3 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2 NT (6 votes [12.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.24%

  5. 3 NT (16 votes [32.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.65%

  6. other (20 votes [40.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.82%

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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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Posted 2014-December-10, 11:26


Playing 2/1.
What is your opening?





What is your rebid if partner responds 1 to your 1 opening?

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Posted 2014-December-10, 11:47

oh i miscounted, never mind

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Posted 2014-December-10, 12:23

I would open 2. Don't anticipate any rebid problems (bid clubs, followed by NT) and I got 8 playing tricks.


No-brainer to me, but I'm sure there will be a lot of people disagreeing :)
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Posted 2014-December-10, 20:13

i have 8 solid tricks with potential for more and a fairly balanced hand. that's called a 2 opener.
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Posted 2014-December-10, 20:58

I open 1 and rebid 3NT over any one-level response (with silent opps.) While it's easy to construct hands where 3NT goes down opposite a valid 1 response or makes opposite a valid pass, I think it is clear that 3NT is likely to make if partner has a minimum response and likely to fail if partner does not.
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Posted 2014-December-10, 21:48

It's nice to have a gadget for this sort of hand.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 00:53

I have a gadget for this sort of hand as well.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 03:58

I have a problem with bidding 3nt after a 1c opening. I might not be able to make because of the diamond suit. Besides, hearts might be the right contract. I have 8 tricks, therefore I open 2nt (and not 2c). Partner can transfer or even pass with an empty hand.
If that doesn't happen I guess I just have to take the risk
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Posted 2014-December-11, 04:10

As much as I hate faking a major or faking a reverse on a small doubleton, this could be the hand for it.

With an appropriate structure I think I would open 2 but playing the normal omnibus 2 I open 1 and rebid 2. Playing with a partner who responds strictly up the line I think I prefer a 4 rebid, though.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 04:53

I don't think rebidding 4 is a good idea, helene. It bypasses your most likely game.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 05:02

My partner and I use a 3NT rebid for this kind of hand. (Of course, this would be the hand where opps cash the first 5 diamond tricks :/) With 5 losers it's not quite strong enough for 2C by our standards.

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Posted 2014-December-11, 05:28

View Postxx1943, on 2014-December-10, 11:26, said:


Playing 2/1.
What is your opening?





What is your rebid if partner responds 1 to your 1 opening?


While 1 opening seems better than 2, there are too many options for rebid. Direct 3nt and 4 possibilities, and the more coutious 3 and 3 are ok.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 07:48

View Post44577, on 2014-December-11, 05:28, said:

While 1 opening seems better than 2, there are too many options for rebid. Direct 3nt and 4 possibilities, and the more coutious 3 and 3 are ok.


oh dear. 3H/3C/4H would be terrible. 3NT is better, i.e. only poor and lazy.

if you do a Walter the Walrus and open this at the 1-level, you unsurprisingly leave yourself without a good rebid. Still you have to make the best of a bad job, which is obviously 2 diamonds. 1C-1H-3NT is a sequence for people whose idea of a partnership is a DVD, a dark room and a box of tissues.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 09:00

If I didn't have a gadget to describe this hand after 1C - 1H, I would open 2NT.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 09:28

2
To force and find out what further partner can tell me, and confident can always rebid clubs.
My answer might be different with a Robot partner.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 09:50

1c expecting to rebid 3nt.

This is known as the Bridge World death hand and been discussed forever. :)

typical problem hand without gadgets which I don't have

don't like 2c here.

"The Bridge World magazine has
a feature called the Master Solvers'
Club. Problems similar to this one
have appeared there, and a hand
that falls in that genre is referred to
as the Bridge World Death Hand."

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expect a typical pard to bypass d and bid 1h with:

xxxx...xxxx...Axxxx....void
or
xxxx...xxxxx....Axxx....void

:)
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Posted 2014-December-11, 10:10

I would open 1and hope lefty overcalled 1 and my partner passed so I could WQ a 3 bid.This hand is a perfect one to show the players who bypass a 4-card suit to bid a 4-card major. S if lefty didn't o'call then I would bid 3 which in my system indicates no losers and a 6+card suit.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 10:46

I open 2 intending to rebid 2NT over a negative response. Opening 2 and rebidding 3 requires a slightly better hand.

Having opened 1 and gotten a 1 response I am forced to make some least of evils choice:
3: underbid as I would do this without one of the major suit aces

3NT - OK on playing strength but no semblance of stopper and support too good (this usually has shortness in )

2 - would leave me worrying about who has stopped for NT purposes

2 - could easily get me into trouble if partner raises and I don't have an agreement about immediate removal from showing I don't really have them.


Some people have a gadget for this hand. I have seen 3 mentioned but have no details as to follow-ups.

Failing that I rebid 2 and hope to survive. I don't like jump-shifting in non-suits which is why I chose to open 2.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 10:51

I like playing 1X-1Y/1M and 1D-1M/2C as forcing1. Helps.
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Posted 2014-December-11, 14:34

View Postwank, on 2014-December-11, 07:48, said:

oh dear. 3H/3C/4H would be terrible. 3NT is better, i.e. only poor and lazy.

if you do a Walter the Walrus and open this at the 1-level, you unsurprisingly leave yourself without a good rebid. Still you have to make the best of a bad job, which is obviously 2 diamonds. 1C-1H-3NT is a sequence for people whose idea of a partnership is a DVD, a dark room and a box of tissues.


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