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#1 User is offline   phoenix214 

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Posted 2014-December-02, 13:05

Can anyone suggest any 2NT response structure that is quite natural and does not ask much from memory?(Maybe Baron)
Also?
Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?
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Posted 2014-December-02, 14:53

Not if you ask a good one...

If you're looking for natural, what's wrong with:
3 = 4+ GF
3 = 4+ GF
3 = 4+ GF
3 = 5+ GF
3NT = 4=3=3=3

I also wonder why this is posted in Non-Natural System Discussion if you're looking for something natural... :unsure:
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Posted 2014-December-04, 05:28

View Postphoenix214, on 2014-December-02, 13:05, said:

Can anyone suggest any 2NT response structure that is quite natural and does not ask much from memory?(Maybe Baron)
Also?
Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?


These (together with pass & 3nt) will get you very far:

  • 3 (Puppet) Stayman
  • 3/ Jacoby

Other responses are far less likely...

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Posted 2014-December-04, 05:51

View Postphoenix214, on 2014-December-02, 13:05, said:

Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?

This doesn't seem to allow responder to make a non-GF bid, nor allow opener to play in his 5-3 fit major. I'd be surprised if anyone has tried it, but I think it clearly does come in the "highly unnatural" category.
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Posted 2014-December-04, 09:34

View PostfromageGB, on 2014-December-04, 05:51, said:

This doesn't seem to allow responder to make a non-GF bid,

Those are highly overrated in a 2NT response structure.
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Posted 2014-December-04, 10:03

Well when i made the thread I assumed then playing puppet+jacoby is the "natural" way. Then if you look at something like 4 card major transfers, it is not that natural anymore, so figure asking if anyone has tried them.
Also im asking this because I was figuring to try and make something workable like this(The idea of this, is to make it somewhat mirror T-Walsh 1 responses, and make it more the same). Id assume that the idea might be a bit silly, but I am also looking to this as a math problem.
Ill try to make some vision of this over the weekend. Would be happy for some review then :)
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Posted 2014-December-05, 03:01

If using 4 card transfers I would use 2C as hearts and 2D as spades. Now opener could bid the relay with one kind of hand, accept with a second and super-accept with a third.
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Posted 2014-December-05, 04:05

Phoenix, you have a strange way of using the word "natural". A diamond bid which doesn't show diamonds and is not a suggestion to play a diamond contract is not natural :)

Anyway, 3 showing 4+ hearts begs the question what you would use 3 for. Maybe Heeman could be played after 2NT:

3=5+ spades OR GF with a 5-card hearts OR weak with diamonds
3=Weak with long hearts OR GF with exactly four hearts
3=GF with exactly four spades

But Kungsgetens suggestion is simpler and maybe better.
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Posted 2014-December-05, 10:20

If you are are thinking about 4-card transfers, I might try two under:

3 4+ H, then 3D=2H 3H=3H 3S=3H max 3NT=4
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