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Poll: partner bids your suit artificially (17 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 2D (2 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. 2H (15 votes [88.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.24%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2014-November-21, 22:08



MPs scoring, weak field. Nobody vulnerable.
1NT is 12-14, 2C shows at least 4-4 in the majors. 2D by you would ask for longer major (partner will bid hearts with equal length). What's your call here?

Would it matter to you if RHO took some time (though never enquired) before passing?
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Posted 2014-November-21, 23:48

Are you in a weak NT field, or has the 12-14 1N opening put you behind already?
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Posted 2014-November-21, 23:49

Pass is really terrible man you only have KQxxx and you have 3 hearts.

But bidding 2D is better than bidding 2H imo fwiw, you would much rather play a 5-2 spade fit than a 4-3 heart fit. The downside is perhaps allowing LHO to double diamonds and RHO to compete when we could have bought it in 2H white.

If you really have a strong read that RHO has passed with a strong hand you can pass regardless of your club holding. I did this recently and my partner was 6-6 so that wasn't a huge success :P Be careful about that, if you are not sure then just do the normal thing imo.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 04:11

View PostPhantomSac, on 2014-November-21, 23:49, said:

If you really have a strong read that RHO has passed with a strong hand you can pass regardless of your club holding. I did this recently and my partner was 6-6 so that wasn't a huge success :P


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Posted 2014-November-22, 05:27

View PostPhantomSac, on 2014-November-21, 23:49, said:

But bidding 2D is better than bidding 2H imo fwiw, you would much rather play a 5-2 spade fit than a 4-3 heart fit. The downside is perhaps allowing LHO to double diamonds and RHO to compete when we could have bought it in 2H white.


But that risks getting to your 4-2 rather than 4-3 fit.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 06:08

I can't imagine not bidding 2H. The only thing in favor of a possible 5-2 S fit is when partner has crummy H. If thats the case too bad. I don't know what dble means had partner bid that, so facing weak NT 2C should be distributional majors or a good reason to compete, reasonable 4-4-(4-1). I suppose there wil be days when the 2C bidder is AKxxx K10xx Kxx x and bids but these hands carry risky any how.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 06:08

I can't imagine not bidding 2H. The only thing in favor of a possible 5-2 S fit is when partner has crummy H. If thats the case too bad. I don't know what dble means had partner bid that, so facing weak NT 2C should be distributional majors or a good reason to compete, reasonable 4-4-(4-1). I suppose there wil be days when the 2C bidder is AKxxx K10xx Kxx x and bids but these hands carry risky any how.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 07:07

View PostJinksy, on 2014-November-22, 05:27, said:

But that risks getting to your 4-2 rather than 4-3 fit.

No because with 4-4 partner bids spades so 2 will show 5.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 13:27

View PostJinksy, on 2014-November-22, 05:27, said:

But that risks getting to your 4-2 rather than 4-3 fit.


OP said specifically that with equal length partner always bids hearts.
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Posted 2014-November-22, 13:33

It seems scary to bid anything other than 2h here. It seems
irresponsible to assume p has precisely 54 distribution where
maybe 2s will play better. With any other distribution hearts
should play better (barring a bad heart split and a friendly
spade split).

I am hoping the problem was not about passing 2c x (= 0) to play
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Posted 2014-November-22, 14:11

View Postgszes, on 2014-November-22, 13:33, said:

It seems scary to bid anything other than 2h here. It seems
irresponsible to assume p has precisely 54 distribution where
maybe 2s will play better. With any other distribution hearts
should play better (barring a bad heart split and a friendly
spade split).

2 gets us to 2 when he's 5=4, and to 2 when he has any other shape. What on earth is scary or irresponsible about that?
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Posted 2014-November-23, 14:57

Do you job and bid 2 . If it doesn't play well that's partner's issue.

Passing 2 is taking quite a view on the hand. You don't know what partner holds in your suit. It might be at least 2 cards or it might be none. Partner showing the majors tends to show shortness in the minors. You know there's at least a 7 card fit, so bid for the known fit. It's much easier to explain going down in a 7 card fit than to explain why you played in a 5-1 or 5-0 fit rather than an 8+ card fit.
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Posted 2014-November-23, 15:51

OK, I confess, I passed, though did suspect it was really wrong to do so. To quickly answer a couple of questions above, the field would be playing weak NT, and double from partner would have been penalty.

I don't remember the exact hands, but it was something like this:



Partner managed to scramble 6 tricks in 2C for -100 beating the field in -110/140 in spades the other direction.
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