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raise or pass

Poll: raise or pass (29 member(s) have cast votes)

raise or pass

  1. pass (2 votes [6.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  2. 5c (15 votes [51.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.72%

  3. other (12 votes [41.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.38%

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#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:35

MP opp are best in room
both sides strong and 5


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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:41

i am considering cuebidding
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Posted 2014-November-17, 19:03

I will cue bid 4H. Perhaps I have been listening too much to Kokish about how strong a simple overcall could be.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 19:21

With such limited space and at such a high level already, I think I have to make the most clear-cut and informative bid I can, trying to help partner visualize my holdings instead of me trying to guess his strength. My choice is a simple and direct raise to 5C. The fact that I did not pass, did not try for slam, did not cue bid, but felt compelled to freely raise to game all point toward a minimal but shapely hand, I would think.

Nothing is perfect, but trying to describe my hand seems the best route to take.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 19:42

4H
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Posted 2014-November-17, 22:24

Considering AJx Axx x AKxxxx is an excellent slam, I am not passing 4C. I would probably bid 5C without the king of spades, so put me down for a 4H bid too.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 23:05

Can I get anyone else to agree that a direct 6♣ has merit? I can't abide playing 5♣ at matchpoints, and if we're going to be in 6 I'd rather do it without mapping the opening lead for the opponents.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 23:05

Can I get anyone else to agree that a direct 6♣ has merit? I can't abide playing 5♣ at matchpoints, and if we're going to be in 6 I'd rather do it without mapping the opening lead for the opponents.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 00:04

View PostTylerE, on 2014-November-17, 23:05, said:

Can I get anyone else to agree that a direct 6♣ has merit? I can't abide playing 5♣ at matchpoints, and if we're going to be in 6 I'd rather do it without mapping the opening lead for the opponents.

how does 4♥ map the opening lead?

I think 4♥ is pretty clear...this bad hand has become a lot better now. But I am not sure that if I had only one call available it would be slam. Fortunately, I don't have to commit....4♥ is almost perfect.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 01:30

I'm not as optimistic. Just the canonical 5♣ for me. The hand has too many empty spaces. Pard needs to have a real monster to make slam here.

I might have bid 6 if pard had reopened 5♣.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 06:14

Clear 4H, bidding 6 is pushing and not involing partner. You can't have much more at this stage considering you had the chance to double 3H responsive, you had the right shape but wrong values. 4C has changed things as partner is highly likely to have 6C and 4S making that K10x worthy of major upgrading. My concern is the D suit. Not knowing the style used with overcalls and take out dbles it is hard give a good reply.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 10:31

4H seems very clear.

Pass rates well below 6c.
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Posted 2014-November-20, 13:29

haha well I bid 5c and thought it kinda obv to bid on, I see I even underbid according to most on here! However my partner wasn't amused when it went -1 :)
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Posted 2014-November-20, 15:45

View Posteagles123, on 2014-November-20, 13:29, said:

haha well I bid 5c and thought it kinda obv to bid on, I see I even underbid according to most on here! However my partner wasn't amused when it went -1 :)


perhaps you are the one who should not be amused
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Posted 2014-November-20, 19:34

View Posteagles123, on 2014-November-17, 18:35, said:

MP opp are best in room
both sides strong and 5




4h but as your poll design shows this is far from clear for us nonexperts.
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Posted 2014-November-20, 19:39

View PostTylerE, on 2014-November-17, 23:05, said:

Can I get anyone else to agree that a direct 6♣ has merit? I can't abide playing 5♣ at matchpoints, and if we're going to be in 6 I'd rather do it without mapping the opening lead for the opponents.

No merit, lets ask PD's opinion with 4♥. I'm torn between 4♥ and 5♣ but like 4♥ somewhat better as our hand has grown up.
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Posted 2014-November-20, 23:26

Is it too late to make a responsive x? 3H is weak, right?

Although I did mark 5♣. I am not going to unilaterally bid slam with zero controls.

If 5♣ went down, btw, it is not your fault.
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Posted 2014-November-21, 00:33

View Posteagles123, on 2014-November-20, 13:29, said:

haha well I bid 5c and thought it kinda obv to bid on, I see I even underbid according to most on here! However my partner wasn't amused when it went -1 :)

What was PD's hand?
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Posted 2014-November-23, 05:13

pd had

J93
K74
A3
AKQJ6
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Posted 2014-November-23, 10:42

View Posteagles123, on 2014-November-23, 05:13, said:

pd had J93 K74 A3 AKQJ6


We can argue whether this hand should start with 1 NT overcall or start dbl planning to show stronger balanced hand with stopper than 1 NT overcall. But I highly doubt starting double and planning to bid clubs, especially at high level in the auction, would be the choice of decent players. 5332 hand is the last thing to expect from pd for these calls he made at the table to be honest.

I have sympathy though, perhaps he thought his hand was too good for 1 NT overcall so he started dbl and then later after unexpected 3♥ he naively thought you would let him play 4♣ when he predicted the club fit+stiff heart in our hand from the auction.
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