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ATB - lots of distribution

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After 1H 3C 3S P / 4D P how should it proceed

  1. It shouldn't - N/S have already gone wrong (how?) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. N should bid 4S, passed out (4 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  3. N should bid 4S, S should bid on (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. N should cue 5C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. N should bid 4N (undiscussed, but presumably some kind of slam try?) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. N should bid 6D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. After N's 5D, S should bid 6D (5 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  8. No blame, just bad luck (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Other (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2014-November-17, 16:35



MPs, BBO randoms. 5+1 got us 17.8%. 4+1 would have been worth maybe 60-65%, 6 would have been worth 85-90%.

So who's to blame, and what are they to blame for not reaching?
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Posted 2014-November-17, 16:56

south

south has a 4 loser hand.
just how bad does he think North's hand is?
5d is so often a loser at mp.

I give north some blame also, he has a 5 loser hand.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 17:23

At matchpoints I think 4 by north is indicated and probably float from there.

A 5 cue agreeing diamonds should get to slam but it's too rich for my taste. The 5 bid gets exactly what I would expect even if it was just in.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:08

preempts work.. maybe a direct 4 would have been my bid.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:11

South just bids 1 more over 5D and life goes on. When 6D makes, he gets the credit. When it goes down, he gets the blame. South's pass gets the blame here. Doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong.

If North had bid 4S over 4D, he would have been operating..making a statement that he is the boss; and if 4S scored better than the Diamond contract he would get full credit and full disdain.

With this partner, apparently he would be successful..and this partner would probably never notice the slam in diamonds was missed.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:46

3 is game forcing so south should realize north probably has enough to make slam. There's no heart loser because north didn't support them, so all north needs is an ace and the diamond queen to make slam excellent
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Posted 2014-November-17, 22:34

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Posted 2014-November-17, 23:32

At MPs, I'd simply bid 4 .

North has a 5 loser hand and a 7 card suit. With the intermediates, the suit should have no more than 2 losers against 4-2 and 3-3 distributions if opener is void or against 4-1 and 3-2 distributions if opener has a stiff.

If South has the right cards, a slam may make. But 4 seems like a good spot to play. After a preempt, it's important to get to a good spot rather than the perfect spot.

Although South has no fit, South should realize North has long s and pass.

If South decides to bid 5 over 4 , then North should raise to 6 . After a 5 bid, 4 seems like a pretty sure make. In that case, 5 making 5 rates to be a bad result. 6 off 1 won't be much worse. 5 making 6 just equals 4 making 4, but loses to 4 making 5. So bidding 6 isn't going to penalize you much if it doesn't make, but changes an average or below average board to the a top/near top when it does.
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