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balance over weak 2

Poll: balance over weak 2 (23 member(s) have cast votes)

your bid?

  1. obv pass (15 votes [65.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.22%

  2. dbl (lebenshol by 6th applies) (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  3. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. not so obv pass (6 votes [26.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

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Posted 2014-November-16, 16:59

IMPs.



See poll. Voting disclaimer appreciated :)
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Posted 2014-November-16, 17:28

If I'd pass but I don't think it obvious, how should I vote?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2014-November-17, 01:14

so it shalt be written, so it shalt be done
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Posted 2014-November-17, 08:36

I decided obv pass was a tad better than close pass :))) since the reward side
was sort of thin even if the area was kind of large while the risk side was
still quite strong. At MP I would x with little fanfare since the most I risk is
1 board and I expect x to succeed close to 65% (making or off 1 no x). The problem
at IMPS is when the other 35% kick in we could be talking large negatives that
may take quite a few hand one overtrick at a time to make up:(
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Posted 2014-November-17, 09:07

The heart length means that partner probably has shortage (unless its 6-3-1-3 around vthe table) so its likely that he doesn't have anything good. Combined with the poor shape I'd pass but it would get some thought at the table.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 10:15

View PostCthulhu D, on 2014-November-17, 09:07, said:

The heart length means that partner probably has shortage (unless its 6-3-1-3 around the table) so its likely that he doesn't have anything good. Combined with the poor shape I'd pass but it would get some thought at the table.


I actually think partners pass indicates length in hearts or rho has enough strength to try to buy it in 2. The downside to bidding is much to large for me at imps should rho have medium or better values with a stiff heart.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 13:39

I'm a passer.

Unless opener is a very aggressive 2 bidder who bids on 5 s a lot, it looks like there are 4 missing between partner and "responder". At favorable vulnerability for them, it would seem like responder would raise on most hands with 3 s. Since that hasn't happened, I think the odds favor either 2-2 distribution or partner having 3 s. If they are 2-2, then partner doesn't appear to have enough to overcall or double. If partner has 3 to nothing then it looks like potentially 3 quick losers in s. If partner has 3 to a stopper, then partner probably has less than enough for a 2 NT call.

You have a 9 loser hand despite the 11 points and 2 1/2 QTs. Even if partner has a 7 loser hand (i.e. about an opener), it suggests that 8 tricks may be the limit your side can make.

Responder can still have a pretty good hand when holding only 2 and pass. So at red pockets, discretion seems to dictate a pass rather than competing to the 3 level.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 14:28

I solved the "obvious pass" thing by thinking it is obvious to me; but, knowing it might not be obvious to others.

Justin, back when he was JLALL, i believe, explained that when he called an action "clear" or "obvious"..he didn't necessarily mean he hadn't seriously considered alternatives before coming to that conclusion.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 14:37

I hate passing but I must as I have so many losers in this flat hand.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 17:46

View Postneilkaz, on 2014-November-17, 14:37, said:

I hate passing but I must as I have so many losers in this flat hand.

That's one way of looking at it. A nine LTC hand, with no assurance that is accurate because no fit is established for us. Silly me, I just counted my 3 hearts. But, I prefer to be an optimist...count it as a 2-winner hand..so, if partner can contribute 6 fillers we are in business.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 18:07

no vote for 2?.. if you find a 10 HCP 3244 across (not so bad odds), it would play better in spades.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 10:50

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-November-17, 18:07, said:

no vote for 2?.. if you find a 10 HCP 3244 across (not so bad odds), it would play better in spades.


Indeed that's what I would bid at reversed vul or maybe at mp's
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Posted 2014-November-19, 03:34

Full hand:



Spade fit is there, but even 3 is in jeopardy, if opps find their heart ruff.
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