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3th hand after 2 passes.
I was highly critised for opening 2♠ on BBO (By 2 partners after the 1st left asking if I was drunk). How bad is it?
2S opening in 3th hand
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Posted 2014-November-01, 07:41
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3th hand after 2 passes.
I was highly critised for opening 2♠ on BBO (By 2 partners after the 1st left asking if I was drunk). How bad is it?
3th hand after 2 passes.
I was highly critised for opening 2♠ on BBO (By 2 partners after the 1st left asking if I was drunk). How bad is it?
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Posted 2014-November-01, 08:05
It's bad, but certainly not drunk.
And bad can be good, but drunk can't.
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And bad can be good, but drunk can't.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 08:07
What were they proposing instead? 2♥? 1 strong NT?
2♠ seems pretty normal in 3rd favorable. Tell the sewing circle to fan themselves and not swoon.
2♠ seems pretty normal in 3rd favorable. Tell the sewing circle to fan themselves and not swoon.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 09:26
It's not my style, even at favorable in 3rd, but I give you credit for being within one trick of your bid, and for picking the right time to swing from the chandeliers.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 10:09
Wouldn't consider passing at those colours. Let me guess - they raised on a balanced hand with support and this didn't end so well?
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Posted 2014-November-01, 10:51
clear 2♠ opening if you are with a partner that you play with semi-regularly, otherwise I probably would anyway.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 11:14
Clear 2s. If forced to psyche I would try 4h.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 11:17
I'd open 2♠. 3♠ if drunk.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 12:03
On the nige scale, 2♠ = 10, 1♠ = 9, 1/2nt = 8 and pass = drunk
Maybe thirth hand = drunk?
Maybe thirth hand = drunk?
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Posted 2014-November-01, 18:30
trevahound, on 2014-November-01, 08:07, said:
What were they proposing instead? 2♥? 1 strong NT?
2♠ seems pretty normal in 3rd favorable. Tell the sewing circle to fan themselves and not swoon.
2♠ seems pretty normal in 3rd favorable. Tell the sewing circle to fan themselves and not swoon.
I think PASS is what most people would propose with this hand. Especially when you are playing with a p/u pd, reaction is predictable.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 20:31
It is somewhat scary but the opps look like heavy favorites to bid game
and even slam is in the picture. At these colors 2s is a fairly reasonable
preemptive effort. Remember that bridge is a partnership game and if your
partner really hates the idea it may be better to restrain that imagination
a hair and pass
I would also be willing to guess you received a raise that
turned out badly:)
and even slam is in the picture. At these colors 2s is a fairly reasonable
preemptive effort. Remember that bridge is a partnership game and if your
partner really hates the idea it may be better to restrain that imagination
a hair and pass
I would also be willing to guess you received a raise thatturned out badly:)
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Posted 2014-November-01, 21:26
I am drunk and I would pass.
As far as the comments about "o it probably went badly cuz your partner raised you..." well, yeah, if your partner does not know you open 2S on hands like this it's pretty stupid. What do you expect to happen? If you have talked with your partner and agreed to play a style where you open 2S on a hand like this good for you but to pull it on a random with no prior discussion is pretty lol to me. Your partner's probably gonna play you for 6 spades if they're a random on bbo!
As far as the comments about "o it probably went badly cuz your partner raised you..." well, yeah, if your partner does not know you open 2S on hands like this it's pretty stupid. What do you expect to happen? If you have talked with your partner and agreed to play a style where you open 2S on a hand like this good for you but to pull it on a random with no prior discussion is pretty lol to me. Your partner's probably gonna play you for 6 spades if they're a random on bbo!
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Posted 2014-November-01, 21:52
Not my style as the hand is far too flat and the spades are not good. Personally I think this is very poor. Typical of a pseudo expert who has not learned to think yet. So you want pd to lead the A from Ax for example?. Give me KQ to 5 and this is a clear opening.
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Posted 2014-November-01, 22:58
I think the main drawback is that it is still a semi balanced hand. I would open 2SP with same points but 5-1-4-3 or 5-1-3-4 or with a 5-card minor.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 02:29
It is my feeling some will open 2S a bit of a flyer and I kind of doubt it will bother my LHO much. Obviously not insane as they do have game some place (maybe even 4S:))and its a little difficult for them to double for penalty. You just have to hope partner keeps in mind 3rd seat can be suspect. Not my sort of style but not so hopeless.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 02:42
mcphee, on 2014-November-02, 02:29, said:
It is my feeling some will open 2S a bit of a flyer and I kind of doubt it will bother my LHO much. Obviously not insane as they do have game some place (maybe even 4S:))and its a little difficult for them to double for penalty. You just have to hope partner keeps in mind 3rd seat can be suspect. Not my sort of style but not so hopeless.
The problem is not 2S getting doubled for penalties, it is this auction: 2S-(4H)-4S-(5H)-P-(P)-5S-(X)-All Pass
Obviously this can be avoided if partner is aware that this is a possibility, but with random BBO pickups.. yeah.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 03:10
I don't think a 5S bid is a possibility, but 4S certainly could be. The hand won't do well.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 04:54
Thanks all for the answers.
The bidding did go:
2♠-(DBL)-3♠-AP
It was a good score because opps had 4♥, it was not a very good score because some pairs did go down in 6♥.
Good opps would not have passed 3♠. So, still I wondered if it would be a good bid against good opps.
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What is the worst hand you open 2♠ with your regular partner NV vs V or NV vs NV in 3th hand?
The bidding did go:
2♠-(DBL)-3♠-AP
It was a good score because opps had 4♥, it was not a very good score because some pairs did go down in 6♥.
Good opps would not have passed 3♠. So, still I wondered if it would be a good bid against good opps.
PhantomSac, on 2014-November-01, 21:26, said:
I am drunk and I would pass.
I believe you
PhantomSac, on 2014-November-01, 21:26, said:
As far as the comments about "o it probably went badly cuz your partner raised you..." well, yeah, if your partner does not know you open 2S on hands like this it's pretty stupid. What do you expect to happen? If you have talked with your partner and agreed to play a style where you open 2S on a hand like this good for you but to pull it on a random with no prior discussion is pretty lol to me. Your partner's probably gonna play you for 6 spades if they're a random on bbo!
What is the worst hand you open 2♠ with your regular partner NV vs V or NV vs NV in 3th hand?
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Posted 2014-November-02, 05:18
PhantomSac, on 2014-November-01, 21:26, said:
As far as the comments about "o it probably went badly cuz your partner raised you..." well, yeah, if your partner does not know you open 2S on hands like this it's pretty stupid. What do you expect to happen? If you have talked with your partner and agreed to play a style where you open 2S on a hand like this good for you but to pull it on a random with no prior discussion is pretty lol to me. Your partner's probably gonna play you for 6 spades if they're a random on bbo!
Well sure, but no-one said this was a random. And this is indeed something I try to impress on my partners - 50% of my BBO card is 'rarely have my bid in third seat'.
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Jinksy, on 2014-November-02, 05:18, said:
Well sure, but no-one said this was a random. And this is indeed something I try to impress on my partners - 50% of my BBO card is 'rarely have my bid in third seat'.
I tried to impress my pds too in my early years. I impressed them the most when I stopped trying to impress them. Ironic but it is true, at least for me.
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