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87643-K4-K97-AT7 Would you open? 2nd seat, all vul, IMPs

Poll: 87643-K4-K97-AT7 2nd seat, all vul, IMPs (66 member(s) have cast votes)

Open or not?

  1. Yes (1 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  2. No (65 votes [98.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 98.48%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#21 User is offline   diana_eva 

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Posted 2014-October-28, 03:41

View PostPhantomSac, on 2014-October-28, 02:17, said:

I know this thread is not that serious but that is a serious leak in almost everyone's game. As you get better at bridge it becomes less "fun" because playing good bridge is all about being disciplined. ...


You are right, and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I do find it hard to be disciplined and the honest reason is because I'm bored and feel like doing silly things just for the fun of it. Playing with robots doesn't help in that sense :)

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Posted 2014-October-28, 03:56

Yes, playing with robots you can try out different styles (including some weired styles and semipsychs) and see if it works. It doesn't lead to partnership trust errosion. Playing with a human p it is good to keep in mind that it is more fun if partner bids disciplined.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 06:32

In your defence, my double was almost as bad as your opening :P
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Posted 2014-October-28, 06:49

10 HCP, but ...

- A balanced hand.
- No honour combinations.
- Points are in the short suits.
- Only an average number of 10s and 9s.

I would value this as a 9 count at best. I wouldn't dream of opening it ... particularly in second seat!

I sometimes play with team-mates who play a mini no trump (10-12). But I rather suspect that this hand is too weak even for them!
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Posted 2014-October-28, 06:55

I play mini-NT (10-13) nonvul in 1st & 2nd seat along with 10 HCP openers under those conditions. Since our methods do not allow for 5 card major mini 1NT openings, this is a 1 opener under those conditions (unless we decide to treat the spade suit as 4 cards, in which case we open 1NT).

Vul? Not a chance.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 08:43

View Postdiana_eva, on 2014-October-28, 03:41, said:

You are right, and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I do find it hard to be disciplined and the honest reason is because I'm bored and feel like doing silly things just for the fun of it. Playing with robots doesn't help in that sense :)


Too true! Last year I was prepping for the NAPs with an actual human partner, and I had to cut myself off from the robot tourneys because I was picking up too many bad habits.

FWIW that partner and I played a strong-club system with light openings, and that's an easy 1 opener. But without having spent hours with P learning and practicing a system that supports bidding on such an airy collection, I wouldn't dream of it.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 10:25

View PostGreenMan, on 2014-October-28, 08:43, said:

FWIW that partner and I played a strong-club system with light openings, and that's an easy 1 opener.

FWIW I play a strong-club system with what I thought were light openings, but this is nowhere near a 2nd in hand vulnerable 1 opener for me.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 11:23

will open if spade was better
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Posted 2014-October-28, 11:39

View PostWellSpyder, on 2014-October-28, 10:25, said:

FWIW I play a strong-club system with what I thought were light openings, but this is nowhere near a 2nd in hand vulnerable 1 opener for me.


Our 1/ are 8-14, could be only 4 if 10-14. But change a K to a Q in the example hand and it's a pass; 8-9 requires more shape. I don't know if it's a theoretically sound system, but I've had some good results and a lot of fun with it.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 12:11

View Postrainy11, on 2014-October-28, 11:23, said:

will open if spade was better

Yes, I too would open if it were a different hand.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 17:53

View Postdiana_eva, on 2014-October-27, 18:18, said:

All vul, IMPs, 2nd seat. You are playing with a BBFer. Would you open?



Oh sure! Though certainly not with a random partner playing a standard system.

But I used to play a 9-to-14-point balanced 1NT opening where we would systematically open hands such as these even if one of the kings were a queen. The system worked well but was quite intricate (and had to be), some 90 % of the subsequent auction had to be alerted. It was also fun to play at least for us. For other players it may be a little bit tiring - when your opponents open 1NT 50 % of the time ... :)

Recently I started playing a 2 opening with exactly 5 cards in below opening strength, a kind of 5-card weak-two. Your hand can be opened 2 in this system though I wasn't actually thinking of 5-card suits starting with an 8. I don't have enough experience yet with the system to say how well this one works.

View Postdiana_eva, on 2014-October-28, 01:00, said:

Dummy tabled:[/size]




With this hand partner would bid 3NT right away in both cases. No discussion necessary.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 18:10

View Postdiana_eva, on 2014-October-27, 18:18, said:

All vul, IMPs, 2nd seat.



View Postdiana_eva, on 2014-October-28, 01:00, said:

Dummy tabled:[/size]




View Postm1cha, on 2014-October-28, 17:53, said:

we would systemically open hands such as these even if one of the kings were a queen. The system worked well but was quite intricate (and had to be), some 90 % of the subsequent auction had to be alerted.

With this hand partner would bid 3NT right away in both cases. No discussion necessary.

You used big words like system and intricate, right?

It seems with these companion hands, there will be a strong NT opening and 3NT will be reached --- for a probable wash except the embarrassment at having opened 1S and the lack of a confident redouble.
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Posted 2014-October-29, 11:45

No longer unanimous.
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Posted 2014-October-29, 15:20

View Postkuhchung, on 2014-October-29, 11:45, said:

No longer unanimous.


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Posted 2014-October-29, 17:50

View Posthelene_t, on 2014-October-28, 01:56, said:

Playing an inappropriate system I open because pass shows 4+ hearts
you have to open when ever you have 0-3? That's pretty weird.
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