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GIB and I had the following auction:
2♣-2♦ (strong - waiting)
2♠-3♦ (both natural)
4N-5C (RKC(D) - 0 or 3)
I was holding 8 top spades, 2 round Aces and 3 small diamonds. Maybe that wasn't the best way to bid this, but that's what I did, (probably foolishly) eager to check the possibility of bidding grand. Now, I wanted to sign off in 5♠, but when I previewed that bid, it was Q ask. It didn't occur to me to preview 5♥ -- would that have been to sign off in 5♠? There shouldn't be a need for two Q asks...
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Q ask in RKC
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Posted 2014-October-24, 15:12
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Posted 2014-October-24, 15:32
Well it thinks you agreed diamonds. If you wanted to RKC for spades you should have rebid spades first. Or started with 3s over 2d which likely would have been best.
With my partners I generally don't like 4nt = RKC in last bid suit if there is a way to agree trumps below game, e.g. here 4♦, I would probably play 4nt as simply "too good for 3nt". But I guess RKC for diamonds isn't totally ridiculous.
I agree if 4n = rkc diamonds 5h should be the queen ask, 5s who knows, to play is OK but maybe it should be asking for SK looking for the diamond grand?
With my partners I generally don't like 4nt = RKC in last bid suit if there is a way to agree trumps below game, e.g. here 4♦, I would probably play 4nt as simply "too good for 3nt". But I guess RKC for diamonds isn't totally ridiculous.
I agree if 4n = rkc diamonds 5h should be the queen ask, 5s who knows, to play is OK but maybe it should be asking for SK looking for the diamond grand?
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Posted 2014-October-24, 18:51
Given my hand, I definitely wanted to bid RKC for diamonds, since that would address all of my uncovered cards... I failed to plan for the possibility of the unfavorable response.
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Posted 2014-October-24, 21:58
Yes it is fairly common with an intelligent partner to RKC in one suit expecting to settle in another. I would never have tried that with GIB, except as an experiment to generate a forum post 
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-October-25, 06:08
Seems like a nice example in favor of kickback or minorwood.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 16:17
Trinidad, on 2014-October-25, 06:08, said:
Seems like a nice example in favor of kickback or minorwood.
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But Kickback better. Minorwood using 4♣/4♦ as ace ask is just an accident waiting to happen (being mistaken for sign-off/inv or forcing bid)
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Posted 2014-November-02, 19:31
You should have just bid 6♠, hoping that partner had the nuts.
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Posted 2014-November-02, 20:27
chasetb, on 2014-November-02, 19:31, said:
You should have just bid 6♠, hoping that partner had the nuts.
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Posted 2014-November-03, 02:06
So, did GIB let you play in spades below the 7 level??? 
Also, you show 2♦ (strong - waiting). Isn't is just waiting, could be weak?
I think the GIB "system" bid after opening 2♣ is to jump to 3♠ showing a solid, independent suit and about 10 playing tricks. Maybe GIB partner could do something good in the bidding
Also, you show 2♦ (strong - waiting). Isn't is just waiting, could be weak?
I think the GIB "system" bid after opening 2♣ is to jump to 3♠ showing a solid, independent suit and about 10 playing tricks. Maybe GIB partner could do something good in the bidding
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Posted 2014-November-03, 09:38
johnu, on 2014-November-03, 02:06, said:
Also, you show 2♦ (strong - waiting). Isn't is just waiting, could be weak?
Sorry if that was unclear. "2♣-2♦ (strong - waiting)" means 2♣ is strong and 2♦ is waiting".
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Stephen Tu, on 2014-October-24, 15:32, said:
Well it thinks you agreed diamonds. If you wanted to RKC for spades you should have rebid spades first. Or started with 3s over 2d which likely would have been best.
With my partners I generally don't like 4nt = RKC in last bid suit if there is a way to agree trumps below game, e.g. here 4♦, I would probably play 4nt as simply "too good for 3nt". But I guess RKC for diamonds isn't totally ridiculous.
I agree if 4n = rkc diamonds 5h should be the queen ask, 5s who knows, to play is OK but maybe it should be asking for SK looking for the diamond grand?
With my partners I generally don't like 4nt = RKC in last bid suit if there is a way to agree trumps below game, e.g. here 4♦, I would probably play 4nt as simply "too good for 3nt". But I guess RKC for diamonds isn't totally ridiculous.
I agree if 4n = rkc diamonds 5h should be the queen ask, 5s who knows, to play is OK but maybe it should be asking for SK looking for the diamond grand?
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