Bidding over X with Strong hand GIB Basic
#1
Posted 2014-October-14, 17:04
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#2
Posted 2014-October-14, 17:11
#3
Posted 2014-October-14, 18:10
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#4
Posted 2014-October-14, 18:18
wank, on 2014-October-14, 17:11, said:
3N over 2♠ seems clear to me, showing enough values for game opposite a legitimate minimum for South's call, with clubs well stopped.
#5
Posted 2014-October-14, 21:57
Your bot is just short of a 2NT balance, so the next step down is X followed by cheapest NT rebid. The bot I live with would have been playing the hand in 1NT.
#7
Posted 2014-October-15, 01:12
aguahombre, on 2014-October-14, 21:57, said:
If I was playing with a person and cared, then that would be a massive understatement. However, I felt the hand was worth 9 points with Spades as trump. Also, is it proven that GIB actually bids 2NT in balancing seat with a truly strong balanced hand?
PhilKing, on 2014-October-14, 23:54, said:
Obviously, once I bid 3♠ there was no way. As 2♠ only showed 4, to get the 5th one across I had to bid 3♠. I also was mistakenly under the impression that GIB would have bid 2NT or 3NT if there wasn't a fit, so we "had" a 5-3 fit and I was trying to find the right contract. After all, GIB's 3♣ cuebid showed "at best 1 stop in ♣" so 3NT couldn't have been correct.
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#8
Posted 2014-October-15, 01:19
chasetb, on 2014-October-15, 01:12, said:
Obviously, once I bid 3♠ there was no way. As 2♠ only showed 4, to get the 5th one across I had to bid 3♠. I also was mistakenly under the impression that GIB would have bid 2NT or 3NT if there wasn't a fit, so we "had" a 5-3 fit and I was trying to find the right contract. After all, GIB's 3♣ cuebid showed "at best 1 stop in ♣" so 3NT couldn't have been correct.
I might be being a bit thick, but would not 3♥ show 54 in the majors?
#9
Posted 2014-October-15, 03:36
PhilKing, on 2014-October-15, 01:19, said:
I would expect it only to promise 4-4. But then North could show 3 card delayed support for Spades with 3S (absent a 4th Heart).
Lacking values to force, I think it is right to bid Spades before Hearts with 4-4, so that the second suit can be shown at a more efficient level, given the opportunity (or if forced to do so).
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#10
Posted 2014-October-15, 03:57
1eyedjack, on 2014-October-15, 03:36, said:
Lacking values to force, I think it is right to bid Spades before Hearts with 4-4, so that the second suit can be shown at a more efficient level, given the opportunity (or if forced to do so).
If you are 4-4M and have enough to jump, you have enough to cue bid. This is particularly clear because you are a passed hand, so the cue bid should only be a one round force. It's generally correct to bid down the line if you are not worth a jump.
Even if the above were not true it would still be obvious to bid 3♥ which can hardly deny 54. There were only two sound actions in the auction, and they occurred at GIB's 1st and 3rd call.
Regarding the initial 2♠ call, holding a 5431 shape it must be somewhat puzzling that the opponents have not bid a lot of clubs. Could it possibly be that partner has, of all things a strong balanced hand? That being so, there is no case whatsoever for adding on a load of distribution points and then leaping around.
#11
Posted 2014-October-15, 05:43
ahydra
#12
Posted 2014-October-15, 22:11
ahydra, on 2014-October-15, 05:43, said:
ahydra
Yes hydra is right. this is clear Gib has no clue what to bid if it doubles with a hand outside the normal range. Gib also has no clue how to bid if a human shows a hand outside the normal range for a takeout double but that's another thread even though I think it's related.
#13
Posted 2014-October-18, 00:37
PhilKing, on 2014-October-15, 03:57, said:
Even if the above were not true it would still be obvious to bid 3♥ which can hardly deny 54. There were only two sound actions in the auction, and they occurred at GIB's 1st and 3rd call.
Regarding the initial 2♠ call, holding a 5431 shape it must be somewhat puzzling that the opponents have not bid a lot of clubs. Could it possibly be that partner has, of all things a strong balanced hand? That being so, there is no case whatsoever for adding on a load of distribution points and then leaping around.
It should be that GIB having not support for spade inviting with 3♣ (one loser in clubs ..) with its balanced hand (what is the meaning of spade jump of South yet if passed with only 5 points and spade not protected ? It is not better to bid hearts ?)
#14
Posted 2014-October-18, 04:44