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Easier without a fit...
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Posted 2014-October-11, 07:44
Now what?
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Posted 2014-October-11, 07:52
4♠ dont see any alternatives
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Posted 2014-October-11, 08:05
What would 3H now be? Don't think we should give up on slam yet since it's not hard to construct hands where a grand is good.
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Posted 2014-October-11, 08:12
When we bid this we had pretty much no agreements but afterwards were both of the opinion that 3♥ would have been natural.
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Posted 2014-October-11, 10:23
4♥. Don't see any alternatives.
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Posted 2014-October-11, 10:30
whereagles, on 2014-October-11, 10:23, said:
4♥. Don't see any alternatives.
Heart splinter? That's certainly ... creative. No alternatives to showing heart shortness you say? Hm.
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Posted 2014-October-11, 10:39
isn't 4♥ natural?
well, ok.. if not, 4♠ then
well, ok.. if not, 4♠ then
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Posted 2014-October-11, 10:53
whereagles, on 2014-October-11, 10:39, said:
isn't 4♥ natural?
Well, I don't know. Should it be? What do you do if you do have heart shortness?
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Posted 2014-October-11, 11:24
This is more difficult w/o an explanation concerning the
1n bid (nat or sandwich). If nat surely p will recognize a
3h bid as a 2 suiter looking for slam since our side cannot
have more than say 25 hcp. We should not give up on slam since
it takes very little to make 6 even if we have a spade loser
which the 1n bid seems to indicate.
With these particular tools a 2h bid would seem to be natural
and invitational (same as would a 3c or 3d bid) and I would
consider the bid forcing to at least 2/3s. This would make a 3h bid
a standout for slam tries and the only thing you give up would be
when a 44 heart fit makes 2/3/4 and a 53 spade fit makes less.
I have to admit I would prefer 4h (like 4c/d to be a splinter).
If the 1n was sandwich we could reasonably be much stronger
but a really bad heart split looms and slam seems far less
likely as the hand will play poorly. I would just bid 4s and
hope it makes.
1n bid (nat or sandwich). If nat surely p will recognize a
3h bid as a 2 suiter looking for slam since our side cannot
have more than say 25 hcp. We should not give up on slam since
it takes very little to make 6 even if we have a spade loser
which the 1n bid seems to indicate.
With these particular tools a 2h bid would seem to be natural
and invitational (same as would a 3c or 3d bid) and I would
consider the bid forcing to at least 2/3s. This would make a 3h bid
a standout for slam tries and the only thing you give up would be
when a 44 heart fit makes 2/3/4 and a 53 spade fit makes less.
I have to admit I would prefer 4h (like 4c/d to be a splinter).
If the 1n was sandwich we could reasonably be much stronger
but a really bad heart split looms and slam seems far less
likely as the hand will play poorly. I would just bid 4s and
hope it makes.
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Posted 2014-October-11, 11:27
Feels to me like 2♥ should be forcing to 2♠, in which case might as well try it. But I don't play supp Xes, so don't know how it's normally played
The "4♥ is a transfer to 4♠" award goes to Jinksy - PhilKing
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Posted 2014-October-11, 11:29
Well, I was playing against GIB, so 1NT was natural but GIB thought our 1♥ was natural too...
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Posted 2014-October-11, 12:20
mgoetze, on 2014-October-11, 10:53, said:
Well, I don't know. Should it be? What do you do if you do have heart shortness?
I dunno either. Maybe 4♥ should indeed be splinter because with 55 or better you already know you have a major fit, so no need to show hearts.
Anyway, thinking of it 4♠ is really safer, as it guarantees no mix-up. You can always discuss stuff with pard later.
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