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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2014-September-29, 14:36

IMPS. Team trials training session.



a. Would you have bid 2?
b. Would you bid over 2? If so, what?
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Posted 2014-October-01, 14:52

A = yes
B = 2s (that answers both part a and b)

There is very little chance that keeping the bidding open will
result in the opps reaching game. The deck appears to be about
evenly split and our spade suit quality is such that it will be
tough for either opp to x 2s in case p prefers to leave us there.

P will be pretty sure we have only 4 spades so the chances of us
ending up in the wrong strain are very small and with such good spade
quality opps will be hard pressed to x 2s so our risk at 2s seems
minimal and even if p wishes to correct to 3c lho the chances lho
wants to hammer that contract are much smaller than before they bid 2h
so there is not much risk in bidding further.

How about reward?? if p has as little as Kxxxxx xxx xx xx we have play for
4s (even if we fail to bid it) and p could conceivably have more and not
bid over 2c so the reward for bidding can be quite significant.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 18:51

I don't like 2 but I like other choices less, so 2 it is, especially over 1.

Pass is clear over 2.

It is fantasy to play partner for length in the blacks. He could have raised clubs earlier (twice) with values and clubs. LHO didn't bid 2 and neither did opener, so most of the time partner has diamond length. It is possible that LHO is weak with long hearts, but partner rates to hold 3-4 hearts along with his diamonds. I'd place his expected black card length at about 5 cards, more often 3=2 than otherwise.

We're red v white. I'd give up here, knowing full well that on some hands we lose a few imps.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 19:07

seems like partner has something like 3-4-4-2 or similar. I pass.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 19:33

Yes 2C over 1D not playing Polish NT overcalls. Pass now.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 20:21

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-September-29, 14:36, said:

IMPS. Team trials training session.

a. Would you have bid 2?
b. Would you bid over 2? If so, what?
IMO
  • After (1): 2 = 10, Pass = 9, 1 = 7
  • After (2): Double = 10, Pass = 9. 2 = 7

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Posted 2014-October-02, 06:31

I would bi 2 at MPs, but this is IMPs
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Posted 2014-October-03, 06:26

Thx all. Here is the "solution"


East didn't have the guts to convert to penalties :) At table North chose to pass out 2 and declarer went quietly down. But bidding 2 would have worked too.

The main point is however that sometimes you need to live on the edge. Overcalling 2 could have gone -500 (finding spades is not going to be easy), but in practice it worked. Passing would very likely lead to

1 (pass) 1 (pass)
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and butting-in 2 now, after opps exchanged info, would be quite more dangerous.
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