[neilkaz]

2♠ WTP?

[gordontd]

aguahombre, on 2014-September-25, 11:42, said:

That would be strange and would mean all unbalanced 2C opening bids are forcing to game in and of themselves.

And your point is?

[fromageGB]

wank, on 2014-September-25, 12:56, said:

2♣ is a GF for almost everyone. it's got nothing to do with whether you play 1960s english bridge or not and more to do with not having to pre-empt yourself on the 2nd round when you hold a strong and possibly 2 or 3 suited hand. if you have something that looks like a game force, you force to game and, sad story, but sometimes it doesn't make.

I fully agree that 2♣ is F, but it was the "G" I object to. The 2♥ continuation I too would take as forcing, but not GF. If you bid the next step then opener can describe his 2-suiter. A 3-suiter is best managed with a different opening in my view. But 2♣ automatically GF, or 2♥ automatically GF after a double negative? Certainly not.

[helene_t]

Isn't the main point of playing the super-negative response to allow us to end in 3M? I think that if I played 2♣ as GF unless balanced I would prefer to use the 2♥ response for something else.

[fromageGB]

Back to the hand. Of course with this hand you will bid anyway, whether 2♥ was forcing or not. But assume it is forcing one bid, and you have not agreed to play Kokish (or an automatic 2♠ continuation).

Is there not a case for playing paradox responses, to cater for opener having an unspecified 2-suiter? Bid the suit you do NOT want to play in? Here on this hand you bid 3♣, so that opener plays the hand. Now whatever opener chooses as his second suit you can raise to game. All else being equal, it is better for opener to be playing the contract rather than you, as could happen if you bid spades.

Is this another time for paradox responses?

[kenrexford]

Three suits have been bid, so declaring only is unknown as to spades. Switch 2S and 2N makes sense.

[fromageGB]

kenrexford, on 2014-September-26, 21:15, said:

Three suits have been bid, so declaring only is unknown as to spades. Switch 2S and 2N makes sense.

Spades is a critical suit it would be best not to bid, I agree, but diamonds has also not been bid. 2NT may be dangerous, as opener may have a balanced hand and perhaps partnership style may bid this way with a 5 card heart suit. 3♣ paradox is better.