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Do you leave this in? Tempting to Pass

#1 User is offline   lamford 

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Posted 2014-September-12, 10:22


Do you pass, bid 3NT or do something else?
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Posted 2014-September-12, 10:27

If I wanted to play 3N, I'd have bid it directly over 2. Since I passed earlier, my plan must have been to pass now, so I do.
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Posted 2014-September-12, 10:27

Pass of course and would be surprised to not collect a 4 figure amount in spite of getting endplayed a couple of times.
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Posted 2014-September-12, 10:45

I would pass and can't understand how this could be close.

There is no way I am looking for slam opposite anything over there, and while 3N is almost certainly cold, despite the horrific breaks, there is no plausible lie of the cards where we don't get between 500 and 1100. On a great day, partner is over there with void J109xx AJxx AQxx and we take 5 minor suit winners (only in one's dreams does one take 6 minor winners) and then declarer and I play tic-tac-toe in trump with dummy's AK in hearts taking no trick.

I'm going to get endplayed a few times, but that's ok...I only get endplayed by winning a trump trick :D

My prediction is that passing will most often score 800. Will score 1100 slightly more often than 500.


edit: this reminds me of a silly hand from a regional in Edmonton back in the late 70's. I held J109xxxx xx xx xx and LHO opened 1 vul at imps and partner doubled. I passed and opener, not a strong player ( :P ) bid 2. My partner passed slowly and so, eventually, did I.

Declarer misplayed and went down 1. Not much similarity, but it isn't often one gets to defend 2 holding 7 trump.
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Posted 2014-September-12, 10:56

In my partnership the opening bid is allowed to be on shape but will STILL reopen with a double. While I expect to make game it's remotely possible we can't and either way the penalty should be a top score.
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Posted 2014-September-12, 11:08

Sometimes, when the opps bid a vul weak 2 w/o a great suit, we might
have the opportunity to double them for a large penalty. This is that
opportunity. We play takeout doubles because they are far more common
than these type of hands so we passed knowing there was a fair chance
opener would x and now we sit (stop all that drooling) and collect a
hopefully really really huge monster penalty.

I suspect if this were a poll it would be well over 90% in favor of

PASS

and I really have no clue what the other options might be

Make sure to thank rho when the hand is over for warning you about the
danger to your otherwise bid many times spade suit:)
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Posted 2014-September-12, 11:50

The equity from leaving it in has to be more than bidding 3NT. Nothing works every time but I like the odds on this one.
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Posted 2014-September-12, 12:02

Pass is ok here but if you pass the opponent sure continious the bet. No stop in 2x. Maybe try to find 3 or 3.

But no bit is happy from many downs here. If they bet maybe you can try a sacrifice 3nt.

Sure that the XX bet here is ulta bad. Support opponent great hand
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Posted 2014-September-12, 12:48

huh.. is this for real? I got seven spades wtp? :)
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Posted 2014-September-12, 13:03

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-September-12, 12:48, said:

huh.. is this for real? I got seven spades wtp? :)

I passed, and was sad that I could not save the overtrick. And there was nothing particularly unusual about the layout, given we already know East and South are void in spades:

I conceded -870. The person with my cards on the same auction bid 3NT over 2S, "because he was afraid his partner would not reopen with a double!" That made an overtrick +630. So 17 IMPs out, and I did not think I did anything wrong!
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Posted 2014-September-12, 13:07

call the director. hands were fixed!!
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Posted 2014-September-12, 13:12

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-September-12, 13:07, said:

call the director. hands were fixed!!

Sadly I dealt it by hand. And my shuffle certainly stopped 4-3-3-3 ten counts!
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Posted 2014-September-12, 13:15

If you're not leaving this in, you might as well take penalty doubles off the card. You don't play them.

And clearly this is a Karapet hand. Has to be. Are you Armenian?
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Posted 2014-September-12, 14:31

What a difference partner having the ace of diamonds rather than the ace of clubs has. I make it +1100 with the minor aces switched.
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Posted 2014-September-14, 02:24

Nice construction.
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