[kontoleon]

I siting in South.

Ok here is Grang slam in D and finish on game !(5+2)<br>

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I just wanted to tell if is possible here to find at least slam. Tell your system by knaw only your hand and no full set

[Lord Molyb]

If north doubles 4♥ showing the two unbid suits, south is probably going to bid slam in diamonds. If he doesn't, north will.

[mcphee]

I do not see the need to bid 4C over 2H which drives you past a possible 3NT. A simple 3C will find the next hand bidding 4H anyway but now partner is able to dble showing both pointed suits. Now 4N from the overcaller should show long clubs and D keeping open the club strain. Lets keep in mind if you had made a simple overcall and partner was able to bid 3N you are quite pleased and still have another bid should you choose.

[gszes]

I get in my own way
(2h)
3c
(4h) no more opp bidding
x (s/d)
<the 4n treatment mentioned above to show dia support and
keeping clubs open is a good one and maybe better than
my choice of showing 33 in (s/d) so partner can choose
which way to go> anyway I cannot bid 4n here sooooooo
5h slammish hand but does not specify fit
6/7d though I think it is totally reasonable to bid 7d since
it is unlikely (how do I feel today) partner is forcing us to
slam without the 3 non heart aces either way it is a gamble.
Note that instead of 6/7 diamonds 6/7 clubs could also be bid
in case some surprise club support was present.

Preempts work keep doing them much easier hand without the opps
gumming up the works:)

[PhantomSac]

The reason to not overcall 3C is because the south hand is too good. And I am really unconvinced with doubling with 7-5-1 if it goes 2H 3C 4H lol

[SteveMoe]

Playing leaping Michaels, 4♣ shows ♠ and ♣ 55+, so 3♣ for me. Likely auction:

2♥ - 3♣ - 4♥ - 4N/5♥!
DBL - 6♦

All depends on whether 4N is RKB for you or shows 2 places to play (what I prefer).

[PhantomSac]

SteveMoe, on 2014-September-12, 16:44, said:

Playing leaping Michaels, 4♣ shows ♠ and ♣ 55+, so 3♣ for me. Likely auction:

2♥ - 3♣ - 4♥ - 4N/5♥!
DBL - 6♦

All depends on whether 4N is RKB for you or shows 2 places to play (what I prefer).

If you play 3C as leaping michaels then you probably play 3H as a strong minor/stopper ask type hand? If you play that why would you not do that?

My mind is blown by everyone wanting to overcall 3C with a hand this strong.

[lamford]

PhantomSac, on 2014-September-12, 16:59, said:

If you play 3C as leaping michaels then you probably play 3H as a strong minor/stopper ask type hand? If you play that why would you not do that?

My mind is blown by everyone wanting to overcall 3C with a hand this strong.

I agree. I would bid 3H, and if West manages to raise to 5H, as I would, then 5NT on the North hand followed by 6D over 6C seems reasonable. Don't think South can add a seventh though; seems like we should settle for 6.

[SteveMoe]

PhantomSac, on 2014-September-12, 16:59, said:

If you play 3C as leaping michaels then you probably play 3H as a strong minor/stopper ask type hand? If you play that why would you not do that?

My mind is blown by everyone wanting to overcall 3C with a hand this strong.

lamford, on 2014-September-12, 18:53, said:

I agree. I would bid 3H, and if West manages to raise to 5H, as I would, then 5NT on the North hand followed by 6D over 6C seems reasonable. Don't think South can add a seventh though; seems like we should settle for 6.

There's vanishingly small risk that 3♣ ends this auction, so I expect another bid. Besides, partner knows my 3-level overcalls are sound and can be quite strong so they will stretch to respond.
3♥ asking for 3N asking a ♥ stop misspeaks our intention to get to slam. I've no partner that hearing 3♥ would expect a minor swan opposite.

[kontoleon]

Ok Thanks from the informations....

I just try the beat 4c to tell more better hand than 3c. ok Here i pass the 3nt line but with opening 2h is possible to have A,K,Q and 8 H total.

Try to found a fit. No fit in C, no fit in S, so must have at least 9 card fit in D. (10 H opponent). And i have the A D. so after 4S i must try 4nt or 5d. In 4nt the opponent answer by key cards (aces + K fit), maybe + void H in this case. So possible answer is 5c (0 key) 5d (1 key) and 5H in 2 key. So no risk here! if anwser 5d i pass. (possible lose K Dianom and no void H).

Or ather 4s the beat 5d to tell maybe Ad. So my beat here is wrong.But is ok i have too low experience.

[lamford]

SteveMoe, on 2014-September-12, 21:33, said:

There's vanishingly small risk that 3♣ ends this auction, so I expect another bid.

I disagree. For example, swap the West and North hands around and it may well do. North might try 3NT, but he might not expect you to supply eight of the nine tricks he needs.

I am glad I agree with PhantomSac on this one: "My mind is blown by everyone wanting to overcall 3C with a hand this strong."

[rmnka447]

If you trust your partner, how about raising 5 ♦ to 6 ♦?

After you've bid 4 ♣ and then bid 5 ♣ over partner's 4 ♠ bid, you've announced a hand with a lots of ♣. With any bad or mediocre hand, partner should pass EVEN IF VOID IN ♣S. So partner bidding 5 ♦ must mean partner thinks 5 ♦ will play better than 5 ♣. Partner should not be bidding 4 or even mediocre 5 card suits at the 5 level. After you've bid 5 ♣, there's no guarantee you hold any cards at all in partner's suits.

I couldn't bid 4 ♣ with the South hand. We play jumps in an unbid sit as Roman Jump overcalls -- showing a big two suited hand in the suit bid and next higher unbid suit. (We adopted this to avoid having to double and then try to bid both suits with a strong 2 suiter. Too many times a suit gets lost because the bidding gets too high.)

So we'd have to double and bid ♣.

Even if not playing Roman Jumps, I'd still double with South's hand, then bid ♣s over whatever partner bids. Then partner would know that the hand is based values and ♣s.

[PhantomSac]

Good point, south can obviously bid 6D over 5 (or 5S lol), he needs nothing to make slam.

[whereagles]

PhantomSac, on 2014-September-14, 22:01, said:

Good point, south can obviously bid 6D over 5 (or 5S lol), he needs nothing to make slam.

He can also bid

(2♥) 6♦

*ducks the incoming vase*