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#1 User is online   StevenG 

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Posted 2014-September-05, 07:16


Club game, MPs, everyone playing some form of Acol.

I led my singleton A. Dummy was a bit dispiriting. What next?
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Posted 2014-September-05, 07:51

p has something over there leaving in our x after we bid a mere 2h, The problem we have
is figuring out what they have and it starts with trick 1. Did p encourage/discourage or
give count? this is all relevant information as we try to piece together how to proceed.

If p gave us no useful information the least damaging play appears to be the heart ace.
If that is ruffed our defensive prospects take a big hit but at least the max number of
tricks it gives up is one. A bigger problem happens if the heart holds the first trick
where a singleton heart with partner is unlikely.

FWIW my x of 3c there would be takeout and I would pass with the hand you have wanting to
save my x for the hand where the clu and dia are switched
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Posted 2014-September-05, 08:24

Partner gave no useful information at trick one.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 09:02

hmmm... think I'll have to play a spade at some stage, so I might as well do it now.

The K seems best, to kill the entry before declarer has a chance to play a heart up.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 11:45

View PostStevenG, on 2014-September-05, 08:24, said:

Partner gave no useful information at trick one.


It's tough to play bridge this way.

Anyways, if that is the case then yeah definitely king of spades.
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Posted 2014-September-08, 00:46

Cash Athen lead a small one hoping partner is either singleton or void
in the suit. A 52% chance.
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Posted 2014-September-08, 01:40

View PostPhilG007, on 2014-September-08, 00:46, said:

Cash Athen lead a small one hoping partner is either singleton or void
in the suit. A 52% chance.


So you play declarer for xx or xxx hearts when he bid up to 3 level all by himself, vulnerable, with a hand that he could not open? Unlikely also due to the pass by our pd. If declarer has xx or xxx hearts, he must have a lot of clubs which makes our pd holding a very shapely hand with diamonds and spades, and we know from the lack of opening bid by declarer that our pd holds 3-4 hcp.
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Posted 2014-September-08, 01:49

It is also a hand that could not double Timo
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Posted 2014-September-08, 01:56

View PostFluffy, on 2014-September-08, 01:49, said:

It is also a hand that could not double Timo


For some of us, including myself, shortness in opponent suit does not qualify an auto dbl Gonzalo. Especially when i hold 6-7 card clubs. I know this auction does not make sense at all and I can not explain why someone would bid up to 3 level vulnerable with a suit missing AQ, all by himself and not consider opening at the first place. Not 1 not 3...but perhaps you guys are right, idk tbh. Maybe he is one of those who think dbl of hearts must have 4 card spades?
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Posted 2014-September-08, 02:08

View PostMrAce, on 2014-September-08, 01:40, said:

So you play declarer for xx or xxx hearts when he bid up to 3 level all by himself, vulnerable, with a hand that he could not open? Unlikely also due to the pass by our pd. If declarer has xx or xxx hearts, he must have a lot of clubs which makes our pd holding a very shapely hand with diamonds and spades, and we know from the lack of opening bid by declarer that our pd holds 3-4 hcp.


On top of that, there is no hurry to try for a heart ruff.

And I am also curious as to why, if we ignore the inferences from partner's pass, the player who has show long clubs is a 52% favourite to two or more hearts. I speak as a non mathematician.
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Posted 2014-September-08, 03:56

My first instinct was a small spade. On reflection I prefer the SK switch.

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Posted 2014-September-08, 06:19

I first instinct was that the K must be right for it to end up on BBF. Then I thought about whether it was reasonable to find this in reality.
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Posted 2014-September-08, 11:04

View PostZelandakh, on 2014-September-08, 06:19, said:

I first instinct was that the K must be right for it to end up on BBF. Then I thought about whether it was reasonable to find this in reality.


Reasonable? I think it's auto to play it if you decide to play spades. After all dummy will establish a heart soon with only entry being A. But I am guessing it's more likely that i misunderstood what you meant to say.
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