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#1 User is offline   Stephen Tu 

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Posted 2014-August-30, 18:45

mp all nv if it matters:
(1)-p-(1)-dbl;
rdbl(1)-??
(1) support.

1. What should passing the redouble mean?
2. Does 1nt promise values?
3. What's your call with approximately xx xxxx xxx Txxx? What would you bid absent the redouble?
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Posted 2014-August-30, 19:33

1) Nothing to say.
2) Yes
3) 1, the cheapest possible bid.
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Posted 2014-August-30, 22:53

agree 1nt should show real values.

The issue here is what does pass vs 1s promise.

First of all 1s does not promise any values.

Let us be clear our side is in trouble, deep trouble. Our goal is to find the safest home. Our pass is never for penalty. Our meta rule is do not play in nt.

given all of the above I will guess to pass but don't really hate on 1s.
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Posted 2014-August-31, 02:39

I simply do not understand why anyone wants to bid 1S with 2 small. For those that do I can only hope that partner raises with his possible good hand. But perhaps those that do play a 4-2 fit better than most! While in theory partner will often hold 4S in the real world they may have 3. Bidding 1S is just ridiculous IMHO.

Responding 1NT is constructive, perhaps the S bidders can join that group as well. Might as well attempt to make the huge overstatement, especially if partner is aware we have flights of fancy and often misrepresent our hand. Besides you do not want to play with this partner again anyway.

It is not your fault you were given this pail of trash. As dear partner did not o/c 1S it becomes rather doubtful they have 5, however they may have 5D. 4-2-5-2 looks like a possible t/o dble to me, but so does 3-2-5-3 16 count. For example AJx Qx AJ543 Axx. I suppose I will now hear that players overcall 2D with that junk, aafter all that lets you play a possible 5/2 D fit rather than a possible 5/3 S fit, and a level lower!
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Posted 2014-August-31, 05:23

View PostStephen Tu, on 2014-August-30, 18:45, said:

mp all nv if it matters:
(1)-p-(1)-dbl;
rdbl(1)-??
(1) support.

1. What should passing the redouble mean?
2. Does 1nt promise values?
3. What's your call with approximately xx xxxx xxx Txxx? What would you bid absent the redouble?


1. There are a couple of meanings, but the more current one I think would be "no preference. You pick suit, pard".
2. Yes, about 10-12 HCP and a balanced hand.
3. 2. I'm 200% sure I don't want to play spades and hey pard may still have a 5-card diamond suit.
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Posted 2014-August-31, 05:32

If pass means "nothing to say" I don't see a need to bid 1 on a doubleton.
Jesus! You have 7 count 5332 hand and pd passed 1 NT ffs! Are you planning to compete to 4 level or DBL a partscore with this shape and/or tricks? People who spend too much time in D.T topic started to talk like him --- MrAce
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Posted 2014-August-31, 18:00

View PostStephen Tu, on 2014-August-30, 18:45, said:

mp all nv if it matters:
(1)-p-(1)-dbl;
rdbl(1)-??
(1) support.
1. What should passing the redouble mean?
2. Does 1nt promise values?
3. What's your call with approximately xx xxxx xxx Txxx? What would you bid absent the redouble?
IMO
  • Pass = Nothing to say.
  • 1N = Natural.
  • Pass seems reasonable over the 1 opening bid -- and now -- with x x x x x x x x x T x x x.

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Posted 2014-September-01, 17:51

View PostSteveMoe, on 2014-August-30, 19:33, said:

1) Nothing to say.
2) Yes
3) 1, the cheapest possible bid.

Misread post.
3) Pass - nothing to say in seat immediately over redouble.

Were I the last to speak, I would bid 1 but that is not this problem...
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Posted 2014-September-06, 16:25

3a Pass. If my partner has 5 spades and not a powerhouse he would not have doubled. If he has 5 diamonds he will bid them now, and if he is 4x4x then he will bid diamonds as I would have bid spades with 4. 2 from me would be inviting 3 if opponents continue.

3b (no redouble) 2.
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