Open - P - or Preempt w 7D and 4C Your opinions
#1
Posted 2014-August-21, 10:50
No one vul
RHO is dealer and passed and you hold:
♠x
♥x
♦KQxxxxx
♣KQxx
I 'lost' a partner on my decision on how to bid this hand. They come and they go!
Your opinion, with a supporting explanation, is welcomed. Thanks.
#2
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:04
You can use the term "call" to cover passes, doubles, redoubles and bids (bids being the 1C-7NT part of the bidding box only).
ahydra
#3
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:04
#4
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:17
#5
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:24
Pass is ok as well, but I would not do it.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#6
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:25
#7
Posted 2014-August-21, 11:45
George Carlin
#8
Posted 2014-August-21, 12:04
I would like to add the following analyses:
1) HCP is 10; total point count is 12 [10+2 for length] (some players do open hands with a total point count of 12);
2) If you subscribe to the rule of 20, this hand totals 21
3) This hand has two quick tricks which, by some experts, is a requirement for an opening hand.
Does any of the above encourage a 1♦ opening bid?
[Thank you ahydra for "call"]
#9
Posted 2014-August-21, 12:16
Not only that, but our p is behind the strongest opp (if there is one).
Doing too much here would seem to damage us a ton more than the opps.
3d
Our almost defenseless wonder is not a total embarrassment on offense
and getting the primarily 1 suited nature of our hand out of the way
early should pave the way to our best target (unless it is clubs sigh).
We force lho to get into the bidding at the 3 level opposite a passed
partner and an unlimited lho (our cho). If p wishes to x the opps we
would have no qualms letting it sit since p should not be expecting
any defense from us and we might actually have some defense in clubs.
3D also leaves room for our side to play 3N or 4M and leaves some room for
slam exploration in case it is CHO that has the power for once:))))))))))))
I could live with pass though I think that is weak but vastly preferable to 1d
which makes any competitive bidding a total guess since we have so little desire
to defend anything. It is also going to be tough to catch up if we opt to pass.
3d = 9 pass = 6 2d weak = 4 4d = 3 1d = 2
#11
Posted 2014-August-21, 12:36
leebca, on 2014-August-21, 12:04, said:
I would like to add the following analyses:
1) HCP is 10; total point count is 12 [10+2 for length] (some players do open hands with a total point count of 12);
2) If you subscribe to the rule of 20, this hand totals 21
3) This hand has two quick tricks which, by some experts, is a requirement for an opening hand.
Does any of the above encourage a 1♦ opening bid?
[Thank you ahydra for "call"]
I would open 4 dia
I have no problem with the hcps to open 1 dia but I do not believe you have anywhere close to 2 quick tricks (which is a term that was created to express the defensive requirement of a one level opener)
Deciding what to open also requires some stategy rather than looking at your hand only, counting the hcps or sending your logic to take a rest by auto piloting the bidding with rule of this and rule of that.
You have 11 cards in minors, not a single hcp in majors. RHO passed but who knows maybe he passed with 6-4 majors and 8 points, or LHO is about to bid his major or majors. My point is, this hand in vacuum may look its close decision between pass-open-preempt, it more often generates better score to preempt. You don't want these opps to start telling their tales with a lot of space available when you are short in both majors. 2nd seat preempts particularly at these colors shows a very good preempt for most pairs.
EDIT: If your decision what to open this hand was the only reason your pd left, it was him who lost a pd, not you.
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#12
Posted 2014-August-21, 12:57
Bbradley62, on 2014-August-21, 12:27, said:
I agree with the spirit of this post... but 2♦ really is awful.
George Carlin
#13
Posted 2014-August-21, 13:41
gwnn, on 2014-August-21, 12:57, said:
Pass is pretty bad too.
#14
Posted 2014-August-21, 13:57
MrAce, on 2014-August-21, 12:36, said:
I value the KQ combination as one quick trick. I can't find any (Internet) reference that values the KQ as less than one quick trick, but I'm open to understanding otherwise. Before the Goren point-count system (c. 1910) the trick evaluation was the criteria used to decide on opening a hand (or not). For opening I think this hand holds two quick tricks.
#15
Posted 2014-August-21, 14:04
Kind words from those who might consider the loss of a partner based on this holding and my chosen bid a bit extreme. Alas, it was a pretty much a doomed partnership, since partner seemed to be easily agitated.
#16
Posted 2014-August-21, 14:39
Actually would not dump partner for any single occurrence at all. We all have our bad moments.
-gwnn
#17
Posted 2014-August-21, 17:00
#18
Posted 2014-August-21, 17:01
#19
Posted 2014-August-21, 18:27
leebca, on 2014-August-21, 10:50, said:
No one vul
RHO is dealer and passed and you hold:
♠x
♥x
♦KQxxxxx
♣KQxx
I 'lost' a partner on my decision on how to bid this hand. They come and they go!
Your opinion, with a supporting explanation, is welcomed. Thanks.
Depending on the pips, I would open 4D on this hand. I would never pass, but can live with 3D.With 1-1 in the Ms a pre empt is obvious. I am amused by those who fail to pre empt or are scared of missing 3NT with a 4D preempt. Bridge is a 4 handed game and they appear to be playing with themselves.
#20
Posted 2014-August-21, 18:48
As it turns out I opened this hand with 1♦;
LHO Passes! (I think, 'This might be a good sign for our side.')
Partner bids 1♥
(No surprise to me here).
I bid 2♦;
opposition keeps passing.
Partner bids 2NT
(Now it's a tough decision for me. Drop partner here, or rebid the diamonds. I think a NT contract might be a challenge, but not impossible. I figure partner has stoppers in the unbid suits, which (the ♣KQ together with the ♦KQ) should give partner entry to my hand to ensure running the diamond suit. But if this reasoning is true, the combined hands have a chance at 3NT. But even this being the case, I thought it best to be sure partner knows my diamonds are long with little outside help, so. . .)
I bid 3♦
Partner insists upon NT and bids 3NT.
Final contract: 3NT and partner is playing it.
Partner has 15 HCP with a void in diamonds. Down 2. Partner is very upset with me. "You open with 10 HCP? You can't be serious!" After a few explicatives, we split up.
That is the rest of the story!