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Pre-Robson/Segal auction, part I over- or underbid? funny story promised

Poll: Your bid (28 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid

  1. 2 Hearts (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  2. 3 Hearts (10 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  3. 3 Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4 Hearts (10 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  5. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2005-February-19, 06:03

Scoring: IMP

1-(2)-?

Sadly, you have no 2NT as a mixed raise with 4 trumps available, which might be the perfect bid. (Or maybe not?) So which (mis-)description do you choose? (3 is 4+hearts with invitational values).

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Posted 2005-February-19, 06:53

4H.

2H is reasonable, 3D is an overbid.

I would bid 2H if there had been no overcall.

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Posted 2005-February-19, 07:00

cherdano, on Feb 19 2005, 07:03 AM, said:

So which (mis-)description do you choose?

4. 9 loser hand, not good enough for 3 invitational or better. Besides, if I bid 3, LHO may get in with spades (either 3 or double). I have a bad hand for defence, so let them guess after 4 if it's their hand.

If partner has something, 4 may even make. If he has nothing (as usual), no harm done, since no one can double for penalties any more.

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Posted 2005-February-19, 07:25

cherdano, on Feb 19 2005, 07:03 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1-(2)-?

Sadly, you have no 2NT as a mixed raise with 4 trumps available, which might be the perfect bid. (Or maybe not?) So which (mis-)description do you choose? (3 is 4+hearts with invitational values).

I'm quite happy with 2. I wouldn't make a mixed raise even if one were available. And, 4 seems hyper aggressive, inviting -200 on a partscore hand even when they can't double us.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 08:40

At this vul, and at imps, a tame 2 for me. I dion't like my distribution other than the fifth heart. My diamond Jack is useless for a heart contract but has slim chance of being valuable on defense. If the vulnerability was different, I would bid this more agreesively.

Ben

PS ... i am assuming that pre robson simple means 3H here would be limit raise, so only raise options are 2 and 4 with this hand... if 3H is preemptive weak, of course i would bid that.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 08:51

3 at this vul, 3H doesnt show a very poor hand.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 09:06

4
This way it'll be "no double, no trouble".
If opps only have a partscore they might get 140 so we risk 60/90, if we go down 2, but we gain a lot if it makes. And partner does not need much extra to make it.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 11:30

Flame, on Feb 19 2005, 02:51 PM, said:

3 at this vul, 3H doesnt show a very poor hand.

I have to say I like this reasoning (provided partner is on the same page, of course :)).
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Posted 2005-February-19, 11:56

I like 3H too. It's about right on playing strength without getting you too high. And it still has some preemptive value.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-February-19, 16:44

It would be nice to know what system we are playing before commiting to a bid.
Anyway I think 3H is correct. I dislike the 4H bid.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 17:00

I think anti-law says 2H.

13-5-0=8 tricks.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 19:58

mike777, on Feb 19 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

I think anti-law says 2H.

13-5-0=8 tricks.

what is anti-law ? a tool from "i fought the law" book ?
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Posted 2005-February-19, 20:05

Flame, on Feb 19 2005, 07:58 PM, said:

mike777, on Feb 19 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

I think anti-law says 2H.

13-5-0=8 tricks.

what is anti-law ? a tool from "i fought the law" book ?

if that's the case i'm definitely bidding 4H
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Posted 2005-February-19, 20:46

Yes, If I got this right

13=total available tricks
5=Dist=My estimate of total cards in the 2 shortest suits between both hands.
0=Hcp adjustment=estimate 19-21 working hcp so zero adjustment, more hcp=postive, less=negative adjustment.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 22:48

2H for me. Wrong for a preempt, definitely wrong for 4H.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 23:27

I would bid 3 as well.
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Posted 2005-February-19, 23:41

learned the hard way not to bid 4H (triple raise) on 5332 distribution: enough trumps but too many losers. 3 sounds good




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Posted 2005-February-21, 08:04

I second to that. 3H for me as well.

4H on a 5332 is a gamble, especially with those defensive values in the minor suits.
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