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#1 User is offline   stunvite 

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Posted 2014-March-22, 15:39


Playing matchpoints you have to choose how to bid in the following situation. You dont have any special tools, only common sense.
Preferably if you post a plan on how to bid a slam vs any suit partner can have.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 16:21

I will start with double, no problem yet :)

I may not get to slam at MP>
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Posted 2014-March-22, 17:07

View Postmike777, on 2014-March-22, 16:21, said:

I will start with double, no problem yet :)

I may not get to slam at MP>


Better hope you get past 3x if partner has say AK10x, x, xxx, J109xx
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Posted 2014-March-22, 17:25

got any better idea? i dont.. dbl
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Posted 2014-March-22, 21:10

Agree with the doublers. Even if you play non-leaping Michaels, this hand really isn't "big" enough to do it.

That leaves an imperfect Double, which truly might be left in. Oh, well. Sometimes you don't have the perfect action for partner's perfect magic hand.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 21:20

View Poststunvite, on 2014-March-22, 15:39, said:



Playing matchpoints you have to choose how to bid in the following situation. You dont have any special tools, only common sense. Preferably if you post a plan on how to bid a slam vs any suit partner can have.

IMO, X = 10, 4 (natural) = 7, 4 = 3


View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-March-22, 17:07, said:

Better hope you get past 3x if partner has say AK10x, x, xxx, J109xx

A club bid, assuming no leaping michaels, deserves to find partner with Axxxx KQxx xxx x
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Posted 2014-March-22, 21:21

whoops, double posted
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Posted 2014-March-22, 21:53

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-March-22, 17:07, said:

Better hope you get past 3x if partner has say AK10x, x, xxx, J109xx

Partner will not pull the double, and we will have to settle for 800. If Partner pulls to 4C, it would not be with that hand, and even if she does, I am not going to blast slam. She won't get overjoyed with my 4S Cue, either.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 23:38

View Postaguahombre, on 2014-March-22, 21:10, said:

Agree with the doublers. Even if you play non-leaping Michaels, this hand really isn't "big" enough to do it.

That leaves an imperfect Double, which truly might be left in. Oh, well. Sometimes you don't have the perfect action for partner's perfect magic hand.


Looks a normal non minimum for non leaping Michaels to me. After all double essentially forces to game if partner doesn't pass so might as well make a more descriptive bid.

Nevertheless double has some advantages - keeping diamonds in the picture, for example.
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Posted 2014-March-23, 02:23

double and if partner bids hearts I like my chances in 6 opposite a 4333 yarborough, so I will investigate grand slam. Non leaping michaels on the other side helps you little towards slam.
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Posted 2014-March-23, 02:57

Why not bid nlm?
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Posted 2014-March-23, 04:45

because we're not playing it, i guess
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Posted 2014-March-23, 05:02

I tend to take a rosier view than most people to this type of hand, and sometimes I come unstuck. I'd probably bid 4 (which will always include hearts, but the precise hand type is unknown), so on Lord Molyb's example I'll get a 6 response.
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Posted 2014-March-23, 05:58

View Postthe hog, on 2014-March-23, 02:57, said:

Why not bid nlm?


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You dont have any special tools, only common sense.


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Posted 2014-March-23, 08:04

View PostLord Molyb, on 2014-March-22, 21:21, said:

whoops, double posted


Double meaning? ;)
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Posted 2014-March-23, 18:00

View PostMrAce, on 2014-March-23, 05:58, said:

You dont have any special tools, only common sense.



In that case double is obvious.
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